Hi Alf, if you can get an M12+ from iLotus, that's not too shabby either. M12M is the king of the crop though as Bruce said. Now you got two answers :) bye, Said In a message dated 2/17/2009 13:50:54 Pacific Standard Time, alf.pousar at surffi.net writes: Thanks Bruce for your answer, it was the only one! 73, Alf