[time-nuts] Triangle Waves
Bob Camp
lists at cq.nu
Wed Feb 3 22:19:30 UTC 2010
Hi
My *guess* would be that magnetic pickup (power lines etc) in the L of the
L/R (or LC or even RLC) network would be a difficult problem to address. Big
toroidal coils might be one solution to that.
Cost wise the DAC is looking better and better....
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
Behalf Of Magnus Danielson
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:02 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Triangle Waves
Bruce Griffiths wrote:
> Joseph M Gwinn wrote:
>>> The integration function requires a low frequency cutoff (either a
>>> servoloop or a resistor shunting the integration capacitor) to avoid
>>> integrator saturation.
>>> This inevitably distorts the triangle wave, however it should be
>>> possible to reduce the triangular wave distortion by predistorting the
>>> integrator input current.
>>>
>> Yes, there would need to be some kind of drift compensation (I favor a
>> opamp servoloop), but given that we are trying to measure ZCD jitter
>> (versus long-term wander), isn't this good enough? The distortion
>> will be
>> small and stable, and so will not cause jitter.
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
>>
> Yes one shouldn't lose sight of the goal which isnt a perfect triangular
> wave, but merely a low jitter one.
Indeed.
> The major problem is the Johnson noise of the resistors used in the
> integrator.
>
> If for example one uses a simple RC filter using 25k plus 10uF and
> drives it with a 10Hz square wave the output noise at dc is about
> 20nv/rtHz.
> The output slew rate with say a 5V amplitude square wave is about 1V pp
> and the zero crossing jitter due to Johnson noise is on the order of 3ns.
Hmm... what about an LR replacement of the RC chain over the op-amp?
Just a thought. It is a bit uncommon, but is essentially the same in
function. Could prove interesting since the LR balance could possibly
allow for lower noise selections.
Cheers,
Magnus
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