[time-nuts] Errors on HP 58503A GPS time & frequency reference receiver bought from yixunhk.

Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkirkby at kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
Wed Dec 10 22:25:18 UTC 2014


I bought an 85053A receiver from the eBay seller yixunhk. This is
supposed to be a real 58503A, rather than one of the updated ones. It
was $799. The diagnostic data from the serial line indicates that this
is so - see.

E-103> *IDN?
HEWLETT-PACKARD,58503A,3502A00477,3704-A

A few initial observations.

1) I bought it along with a couple of Motorola M12 timing receivers
($15 each). Two of them were put in a "ziploc freeze guard" bag - not
an antistatic bag. Two boards, along with a washer were in the bag.

2) Some SMA to N adapters I bought could have been better wrapped, but
don't seem to suffered any harm.

I asked the seller if they could sort me out a unit in good cosmetic
condition - offering to pay extra. They said they would, for no extra
charge. When it arrived it does look *mint* condition. I can't see a
scratch on it. When I bought a CertiPrime unit from Agilent I had to
look hard to find a mark, but this is even cleaner.

Someone from this list sent me an email saying this seller gets HP
boxes re-made, so they look original, but are not. I must admit I have
my suspicions about this one. There is some sort of safety warning on
the rear, but the HP serial number sticker is covering that up. I
don't think HP would attach the serial number in the way shown. The
serial number reported by the firmware (3502A00477) is the same as on
the instrument.

Also the N connector on the rear for the antenna does not look to be
up to HP standards. I measured the pin depth of the centre pin using
gages from an 85054B type N calibration kit. It only just about moves
the gages, being recessed 0.012" below where is should be. Although I
realize it is not a calibration standard, 0.012" is deeper than any
other bit of HP kit I just checked.  Maybe, due to where it is, and
the fact it is not going to be used a lot, HP did not put a decent
connector there. But it looks a bit odd to me.

I am suspecting this has been rebuilt into a new case. To be honest,
if a seller remakes the boxes, and they look and function well, I
don't have a big problem with that, although I am sure it is illegal -
at least in the UK.

The antenna is supposed to be Andrews. I don't know whether it is, but
there's no name on it.

But the most important thing is there are problems in the power
supplies, as the log shows - see below.

scpi > :DIAG:LOG:READ:ALL?
Log status: 85  entries

Log 001:20141017.00:00:00:  Log cleared
Log 002:20141017.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 003:20141017.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 004:20141017.00:00:11:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 16.62
Log 005:20141017.00:00:26:  Self-test failed
Log 006:20141017.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 007:20141017.00:00:11:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.78
Log 008:20141017.00:00:27:  Self-test failed
Log 009:20141017.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 010:20141017.00:00:11:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.80
Log 011:20141017.00:00:26:  Self-test failed
Log 012:20141017.00:00:55:  Power on
Log 013:20141017.00:01:06:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.75
Log 014:20141017.00:01:11:  Power on
Log 015:20141017.00:01:22:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.73
Log 016:20141017.00:01:37:  Self-test failed
Log 017:20141017.00:02:06:  Power on
Log 018:20141017.00:02:17:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.73
Log 019:20141017.00:02:33:  Self-test failed
Log 020:20141017.00:05:55:  GPS reference valid at 20141205.04:34:39
Log 021:20141205.04:42:26:  GPS lock started
Log 022:20141205.04:42:26:  Primary oven current is out of tolerance,
value: 115.81
Log 023:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 024:20141205.00:00:11:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.66
Log 025:20141205.00:00:27:  Self-test failed
Log 026:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 027:20141205.00:00:11:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.66
Log 028:20141205.00:00:27:  Self-test failed
Log 029:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 030:20141205.00:00:01:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 13.67
Log 031:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 032:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 033:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 034:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 035:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 036:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 037:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 038:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 039:20141205.00:05:00:  GPS reference valid at 20141205.06:48:08
Log 040:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 041:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 042:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 043:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 044:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 045:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 046:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 047:20141205.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 048:20141205.00:04:23:  GPS reference valid at 20141205.07:38:39
Log 049:20141205.07:45:54:  GPS lock started
Log 050:20141205.09:39:43:  Position hold mode started
Log 051:20141205.12:06:16:  Holdover started, TI limit exceeded
Log 052:20141205.12:07:42:  GPS lock started
Log 053:20141205.14:04:14:  Holdover started, TI limit exceeded
Log 054:20141205.14:05:40:  GPS lock started
Log 055:20141206.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 056:20141206.00:08:32:  GPS reference valid at 20141206.06:17:38
Log 057:20141206.06:22:29:  GPS lock started
Log 058:20141206.06:39:56:  Holdover started, not tracking GPS
Log 059:20141206.06:43:24:  GPS lock started
Log 060:20141206.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 061:20141206.00:00:00:  Power on

Below is the first entries to mention the date I got it (10th December 2014).

Log 062:20141206.00:34:10:  GPS reference valid at 20141210.13:10:33
Log 063:20141210.13:14:25:  GPS lock started
Log 064:20141210.14:22:09:  Holdover started, not tracking GPS
Log 065:20141210.14:25:48:  GPS lock started
Log 066:20141210.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 067:20141210.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 068:20141210.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 069:20141210.00:14:46:  GPS reference valid at 20141210.15:20:33
Log 070:20141210.15:26:26:  GPS lock started
Log 071:20141210.15:36:01:  Power on
Log 072:20141210.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 073:20141210.00:03:07:  GPS reference valid at 20141210.15:52:09
Log 074:20141210.15:57:04:  GPS lock started
Log 075:20141210.16:26:24:  Holdover started, not tracking GPS
Log 076:20141210.16:30:50:  GPS lock started
Log 077:20141210.00:00:00:  Power on
Log 078:20141210.00:00:11:  5V is out of tolerance, value: 5.54
Log 079:20141210.00:00:11:  15V is out of tolerance, value: 19.46
Log 080:20141210.00:00:26:  Self-test failed
Log 081:20141210.00:09:22:  GPS reference valid at 20141210.18:52:33
Log 082:20141210.18:57:27:  GPS lock started
Log 083:20141210.19:02:23:  Power on
Log 084:20141210.19:45:31:  GPS reference valid at 20141210.19:45:37
Log 085:20141210.19:51:18:  GPS lock started


Below are some errors reported using :SYST:STAT?

E-113> :SYST:STAT?
------------------------------- Receiver Status -------------------------------

SYNCHRONIZATION ........................................... [ Outputs Invalid ]
SmartClock Mode ___________________________   Reference Outputs _______________
   Locked                                     TFOM     9             FFOM     3
   Recovery                                   1PPS TI  --
   Holdover                                   HOLD THR 1.000 us
>> Power-up: GPS acquisition                  Holdover Uncertainty ____________
                                              Predict  --

ACQUISITION .............................................. [ GPS 1PPS Invalid ]
Tracking: 0 ____   Not Tracking: 6 ________   Time ____________________________
                   PRN  El  Az                UTC      12:02:29 [?] 01 Jan 1998
                   * 1  -- ---                GPS 1PPS Invalid: not tracking
                   * 6  -- ---                ANT DLY  0 ns
                   * 9  -- ---                Position ________________________
                   *14  -- ---                MODE     Survey:      0% complete
                   *22  -- ---                         Suspended: track <4 sats
                   *24  -- ---                INIT LAT N  51:39:03.825
                                              INIT LON E   0:46:36.278
ELEV MASK 10 deg   *attempting to track       INIT HGT          -14.04 m  (MSL)
HEALTH MONITOR ...................................................... [ ERROR ]
Self Test: Err   Int Pwr: OK   Oven Pwr: OK   OCXO: OK   EFC: OK   GPS Rcv: OK
E-113> :SYST:STAT?
------------------------------- Receiver Status -------------------------------

SYNCHRONIZATION ........................................... [ Outputs Invalid ]
SmartClock Mode ___________________________   Reference Outputs _______________
   Locked                                     TFOM     9             FFOM     3
   Recovery                                   1PPS TI  --
   Holdover                                   HOLD THR 1.000 us
>> Power-up: GPS acquisition                  Holdover Uncertainty ____________
                                              Predict  --

ACQUISITION .............................................. [ GPS 1PPS Invalid ]
Tracking: 0 ____   Not Tracking: 6 ________   Time ____________________________
                   PRN  El  Az                UTC      12:02:56 [?] 01 Jan 1998
                   * 1  -- ---                GPS 1PPS Invalid: not tracking
                   * 6  -- ---                ANT DLY  0 ns
                   * 9  -- ---                Position ________________________
                   *14  -- ---                MODE     Survey:      0% complete
                   *22  -- ---                         Suspended: track <4 sats
                   *24  -- ---                INIT LAT N  51:39:03.825
                                              INIT LON E   0:46:36.278
ELEV MASK 10 deg   *attempting to track       INIT HGT          -14.04 m  (MSL)
HEALTH MONITOR ...................................................... [ ERROR ]
Self Test: Err   Int Pwr: OK   Oven Pwr: OK   OCXO: OK   EFC: OK   GPS Rcv: OK


I expect this is going to go back to them, unless they want to make me
an offer I can't refuse.


Dave
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