[time-nuts] Re: Power supply buzzing in HP 58503A GPS receiver.

[jung.schorndorf at t-online.de]

Hello time and frequency standard owners,

a similar problem, tap Power Transformer ...

my power supply MPS in the device MFS (Modular Frequency Systems) from EFRATOM-DATUM_SYMMETRICOM has plagued me with a hum noise
for many months. When it stopped working and I opened it, the power transformer turned out with a turn damage (photo) and totally corroded - in laboratory conditions!
I can also operate the device externally with 24V DC. However, I would like to replace the unavailable original transformer,
but have not seen any transformer data (U, I) because missing documents. Because winding interruption I can not measure it either.
In the data sheets I only find different DC data (20.5V DC, 23-33V DC, 40 W, 55 W ??).
The transformer had 2 AC outputs on the secondary side.
I have only a few inserts and do not need the theoretical 200 VA max. power.
Does anyone in the US still have circuits? The German branch has nothing more.

Thanks for info
Helmut




-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Adrian Godwin via time-nuts <time-nuts at lists.febo.com> 
Gesendet: Montag, 11. September 2023 10:10
An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts at lists.febo.com>
Cc: Adrian Godwin <artgodwin at gmail.com>
Betreff: [time-nuts] Re: Power supply buzzing in HP 58503A GPS receiver.

I don't have a 58503A but I do have some RFTG-u which I understand to be
quite similar. I'm not sure if that extends to the power supply
architecture. Do they just have an integral mains power supply before a
Lucent DC-DC converter ?

I had one fail due to a tantalum capacitor downstream of the DC-DC
converter. It didn't shut down the DC-DC but it did cause it to take a
heavy incoming current resulting in the literal melting (and subsequent
mains breaker cutout) of a cheap power brick that was being used to provide
24V.

So, the mains part of the supply might be running at an overcurrent without
shutting down.

Replacing the tant (and the power brick) fixed it without any other damage.


On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 5:31 AM Ed Marciniak via time-nuts <
time-nuts at lists.febo.com> wrote:

> I don’t have one of those units, but switching power supplies under
> certain load conditions can have subharmonic oscillations that happen to
> fall in the audible frequency range. Absent an overload from a shorter
> capacitor or similar, I’d take a hard look at whether there are capacitors
> that no longer meet their ESR specifications and/or have cold solder joints
> effectively removing them from the circuit.
> ________________________________
> From: Wilko Bulte via time-nuts <time-nuts at lists.febo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2023 3:57:06 PM
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <
> time-nuts at lists.febo.com>
> Cc: Wilko Bulte <wkb at xs4all.nl>
> Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Power supply buzzing in HP 58503A GPS receiver.
>
> Wild guess here, this sounds to me like a coil "whistling". Maybe there is
> an inductor or transformer  that lost its potting compound, or has somehow
> come loose from its fittings?
>
> best,
> Wilko
>
> > On 10 Sep 2023, at 21:24, David Kirkby via time-nuts <
> time-nuts at lists.febo.com> wrote:
> >
> > After about 6 months of being powered off, I switched on my GPS receiver
> > yesterday. The PSU is buzzing quite loudly. Sound file at
> >
> >
> https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/noisy-PSU-in-HP-58503A-GPS-time-and-frequency-standard-recorded-10th-Sempember-2023.m4a
> >
> > I thought that one of the 100 uF 400 V capacitors after the rectifier
> might
> > be bulging, although I was unsure. The capacitance measures okay, and the
> > ESR is below that of anything I can buy that will physically fit. Same
> for
> > the 47 uF 400 V capacitor. These were both measured out of circuit, using
> > an HP 4284A LCR meter at 120 Hz. I chose that, despite the fact that we
> > have 50 Hz mains here in the UK, as data normally seems to be provided on
> > capacitors at 120 Hz.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced this before? I believe that someone wrote here, or
> > might have been elsewhere, that the GPS receiver was pushing one of the
> > supplies to the limit, and another one was not loaded enough. I know
> there
> > was some mention of converting it to run from a linear supply, although I
> > think that would be physically larger, so not fit in the case.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr David Kirkby Ph.D
> > Kirkby Microwave Ltd
> > Email: drkirkby at kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
> > Web: https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
> > Telephone 07910 441670 (UK) or +44 7910 441670 (international)
> > Registered in England and Wales, company number 08914892.
> > Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Essex, CM3
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