Looks like NERC did drop the requirement for timing from power lines. That would explain why is is so crappy these days. I rememver that they tried to do that several/many years ago. There was a lot of push back from people with old electric clocks and microwave ovens. I thought they dropped the proposal. Either it didn't get dropped or it came back again. Am I the only one that missed the news about the proposal actually going through? Europe expects electric clocks to keep good time. Or did a few years ago when they were off by 6 minutes. Anybody know if their power companies are trying to drop that constraint? Do Japan, Korea, and Chine get time from their power lines? -------- Docket No. RD17-1-000 (Unofficial) 01/18/2017 <https://www.nerc.com/FilingsOrders/us/FERCOrdersRules/Delegated%20Order%20appr oving%20retirement%20for%20Reliability%20Standard%20BAL-004-0.pdf> As part of the support for the retirement of Reliability Standard BAL-004-0, the NERC Operating Committee approved Manual Time Error Correction Reference Document6 which is "intended to help ease the transition upon retirement of BAL-004-0 and assure the Commission and potential non-utility industry that if [Time Error Correction] is determined necessary, it will be performed in a coordinated and reliable manner." -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Fortunately and surprisingly, the effort quoted by Hal was defeated in 2020 at the FERC. Their decision quoted some last-ditch letters Jonathan Hardis of NIST and I at the USNO wrote as private citizens. See https://elibrary.ferc.gov/eLibrary/idmws/file_list.asp?accession_num=20200204-3048 Here is a 2017 PTTI paper that Jonathan, Blair Fonville (now at APL), and I wrote in 2017: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317011264_Time_and_Frequency_from_Electrical_Power_Lines I’m surprised the time is off by a minute, as the requirement was to be within ~ 10 seconds, depending on the grid. It could be they found a way to eliminate the TEC requirement after all. I thought I had things set up on ferc.gov or nerc.com to get notified if they proposed changes again, but I could easily have missed a renewed effort by the power companies. Just now I tried to find something on the NERC and FERC web pages using search terms like TEC, WEQ-006, BAL-004, and BAL-005 without success. > On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:33 AM, Hal Murray via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Looks like NERC did drop the requirement for timing from power lines. That > would explain why is is so crappy these days. > > I rememver that they tried to do that several/many years ago. There was a lot > of push back from people with old electric clocks and microwave ovens. I > thought they dropped the proposal. Either it didn't get dropped or it came > back again. > > Am I the only one that missed the news about the proposal actually going > through? > > Europe expects electric clocks to keep good time. Or did a few years ago when > they were off by 6 minutes. Anybody know if their power companies are trying > to drop that constraint? > > Do Japan, Korea, and Chine get time from their power lines? > > -------- > > > Docket No. RD17-1-000 (Unofficial) 01/18/2017 > > <https://www.nerc.com/FilingsOrders/us/FERCOrdersRules/Delegated%20Order%20appr > oving%20retirement%20for%20Reliability%20Standard%20BAL-004-0.pdf> > > As part of the support for the retirement of Reliability Standard BAL-004-0, > the NERC Operating Committee approved Manual Time Error Correction Reference > Document6 which is "intended to help ease the transition upon retirement of > BAL-004-0 and assure the Commission and potential non-utility industry that if > [Time Error Correction] is determined necessary, it will be performed in a > coordinated and reliable manner." > > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com