Any suggestions for books on metrology?
I am currently doing the free courses at NPL.
I’ve done a couple of the basic metrology courses
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-metrology/
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-measurement-uncertainty/
as well as the intermediate level
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-uncertainty-budgets/
I am just about to start the advanced
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-and-evaluating-measurement-uncertainty/
but fear I will probably struggle with this, as I don’t work in this area.
I was looking for a book or two that are either a general book on
metrology.
I am looking more for an understanding of fundamental principles, rather
than a specific area. I can find tons of books on Amazon about laser
metrology, mechanical metrology and other disciplines, but can not seem to
find anything that is general, so can give the mathematics and theory,
without it being too specific to one area.
The NPL courses have lists of resources, but these all tend to be standards
(GUM, ISO or other resources at NPL. ) I can not see any text books
listed.
I am particularly interested in electrical measurements (voltage,
frequency, power etc), but I am not at this point interested in buying a
book on a very narrow subject area.
Any ideas?
Dave
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I think what you want is a book on "error analysis". I'm pretty sure I have one or two monographs on the subject, but my library is in such a state of disarray I'm reluctant to look for one. It's sort on the boundary between experimental physics and mathematics. So I have no idea where I might have it shelved.
Error analysis is the process of determining the ultimate uncertainty after taking into account all the error terms and properly combining them.
I decided I'd see if I might get lucky:
An Introduction to Error Analysis: The Study of Uncertainties in Physical Measurements
John R. Taylor
University Science Books 1982
ISBN 0-935702-10-5
Have Fun!
Reg
On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 04:41:29 PM CDT, Dr. David Kirkby <drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:
I am currently doing the free courses at NPL.
I’ve done a couple of the basic metrology courses
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-metrology/
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-measurement-uncertainty/
as well as the intermediate level
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-uncertainty-budgets/
I am just about to start the advanced
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-and-evaluating-measurement-uncertainty/
but fear I will probably struggle with this, as I don’t work in this area.
I was looking for a book or two that are either a general book on
metrology.
I am looking more for an understanding of fundamental principles, rather
than a specific area. I can find tons of books on Amazon about laser
metrology, mechanical metrology and other disciplines, but can not seem to
find anything that is general, so can give the mathematics and theory,
without it being too specific to one area.
The NPL courses have lists of resources, but these all tend to be standards
(GUM, ISO or other resources at NPL. ) I can not see any text books
listed.
I am particularly interested in electrical measurements (voltage,
frequency, power etc), but I am not at this point interested in buying a
book on a very narrow subject area.
Any ideas?
Dave
--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100
Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 23:28, Reginald Beardsley via volt-nuts <
volt-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
I think what you want is a book on "error analysis". I'm pretty sure I
have one or two monographs on the subject, but my library is in such a
state of disarray I'm reluctant to look for one.
I decided I'd see if I might get lucky:
An Introduction to Error Analysis: The Study of Uncertainties in Physical
Measurements
John R. Taylor
University Science Books 1982
ISBN 0-935702-10-5
Thank you for the suggestion.
What concerns me about that is the age of the book. It predates GUM, so
will not be based around current international practice. GUM was
introduced to bring international consensus to a field which previously
lacked that.
I found this book on Amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Introduction-Uncertainty-Measurement-Using-Expression-ebook/dp/B01N6Y8LNQ/
which is clearly based around GUM, but I get the feeling it is not going to
be very deep, as it apparently has all the material a 2nd year
undergraduate would need to know. It is only 248 pages in length. I don’t
think it will be much help for the NPL course I am currently trying to do.
I have forgotten a lot of the mathematics I did at university, so had to
relearn things like covariance for the easier course. I probably do have
the mathematical material in text books I have, but I would like to find
something that is consistent with GUM, so standard practice today.
Hopefully some of the members of this list will have some suggestions. Many
work in metrology labs.
Have Fun!
Reg
Dave
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100
Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom
Some of the references in this document I've been reading about gauge
blocks might be worth investigating, if only to find other more general
references.
https://emtoolbox.nist.gov/Publications/NISTMonograph180.pdf
This is a typical example of the fine detail of a tiny part of the
subject area, with a mere 145 pages about gauge blocks, wringing films,
the problems with diamond probes being ground spherical but ending up
ellipsoidal owing to isotropy of the crystals, decadal dimensional creep
of steel standards, thermal management, comparator techniques and so on.
While some of the basic methodologies are of use in other fields
(sampling pattern strategies for checking groups of standards in the
presence of drift, for example), the vast majority of the material is
highly specific to this niche sub-discipline.
I suspect the same applies to all other areas of metrology. Error
control, statistical techniques and the mathematical and philosophical
framework of metrology are common across all areas of the discipline,
but that only represents a tiny proportion of each specialist area.
Expensive PDF that might be useful if you can find a copy, or perhaps
papers or other works by the authors :
https://www.degruyter.com/view/title/124034?format=KOM
Neil
On 14/06/2020 22:40, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
I am currently doing the free courses at NPL.
I’ve done a couple of the basic metrology courses
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-metrology/
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-measurement-uncertainty/
as well as the intermediate level
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-uncertainty-budgets/
I am just about to start the advanced
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-and-evaluating-measurement-uncertainty/
but fear I will probably struggle with this, as I don’t work in this area.
I was looking for a book or two that are either a general book on
metrology.
I am looking more for an understanding of fundamental principles, rather
than a specific area. I can find tons of books on Amazon about laser
metrology, mechanical metrology and other disciplines, but can not seem to
find anything that is general, so can give the mathematics and theory,
without it being too specific to one area.
The NPL courses have lists of resources, but these all tend to be standards
(GUM, ISO or other resources at NPL. ) I can not see any text books
listed.
I am particularly interested in electrical measurements (voltage,
frequency, power etc), but I am not at this point interested in buying a
book on a very narrow subject area.
Any ideas?
Dave
Am Sun, 14 Jun 2020 22:40:28 +0100
schrieb "Dr. David Kirkby" drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk:
I am currently doing the free courses at NPL.
I’ve done a couple of the basic metrology courses
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-metrology/
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-measurement-uncertainty/
as well as the intermediate level
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-uncertainty-budgets/
I am just about to start the advanced
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-and-evaluating-measurement-uncertainty/
but fear I will probably struggle with this, as I don’t work in this
area. I was looking for a book or two that are either a general book
on metrology.
I am looking more for an understanding of fundamental principles,
rather than a specific area. I can find tons of books on Amazon about
laser metrology, mechanical metrology and other disciplines, but can
not seem to find anything that is general, so can give the
mathematics and theory, without it being too specific to one area.
The NPL courses have lists of resources, but these all tend to be
standards (GUM, ISO or other resources at NPL. ) I can not see any
text books listed.
I am particularly interested in electrical measurements (voltage,
frequency, power etc), but I am not at this point interested in
buying a book on a very narrow subject area.
Any ideas?
As I have completed these courses just after you posted them, here's my
two cents worth: I found these courses to be pretty acessible and
self-contained. So, in effect I didn't need any further literature.
Sure, I recently had another training on the general subject of
managing test equiment, which just barely touched the topic of
measurement uncertainty.
But nevertheless as you apparently already ordered some literature,
I'd be keen to hear your opinion on it, as I was planning to buy
something on the topic myself.
Florian
Me too (completed these courses just after you posted them) and
completely agree with Florian (courses accessible and
self-contained). I'm also grateful to the NPL for this e-learning chance.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:24 PM Florian Teply usenet@teply.info wrote:
Am Sun, 14 Jun 2020 22:40:28 +0100
schrieb "Dr. David Kirkby" drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk:
I am currently doing the free courses at NPL.
I’ve done a couple of the basic metrology courses
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-metrology/
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/introduction-to-measurement-uncertainty/
as well as the intermediate level
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-uncertainty-budgets/
I am just about to start the advanced
https://training.npl.co.uk/course/understanding-and-evaluating-measurement-uncertainty/
but fear I will probably struggle with this, as I don’t work in this
area. I was looking for a book or two that are either a general book
on metrology.
I am looking more for an understanding of fundamental principles,
rather than a specific area. I can find tons of books on Amazon about
laser metrology, mechanical metrology and other disciplines, but can
not seem to find anything that is general, so can give the
mathematics and theory, without it being too specific to one area.
The NPL courses have lists of resources, but these all tend to be
standards (GUM, ISO or other resources at NPL. ) I can not see any
text books listed.
I am particularly interested in electrical measurements (voltage,
frequency, power etc), but I am not at this point interested in
buying a book on a very narrow subject area.
Any ideas?
As I have completed these courses just after you posted them, here's my
two cents worth: I found these courses to be pretty acessible and
self-contained. So, in effect I didn't need any further literature.
Sure, I recently had another training on the general subject of
managing test equiment, which just barely touched the topic of
measurement uncertainty.
But nevertheless as you apparently already ordered some literature,
I'd be keen to hear your opinion on it, as I was planning to buy
something on the topic myself.
Florian
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Hi:
Some decades ago the company I was working for had a class in Statistical Process Control and some of those ideas may be
applicable here.
They spent a lot of time on measuring groups of things and plotting the results. Looking for not only out of spec, but
also trends that would indicate a looming problem.
https://prc68.com/I/Learning.shtml#Important
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LOn Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 18:24, Florian Teply usenet@teply.info wrote:
As I have completed these courses just after you posted them, here's my
two cents worth: I found these courses to be pretty acessible and
self-contained. So, in effect I didn't need any further literature.
Sure, I recently had another training on the general subject of
managing test equiment, which just barely touched the topic of
measurement uncertainty.
But nevertheless as you apparently already ordered some literature,
I'd be keen to hear your opinion on it, as I was planning to buy
something on the topic myself.
Florian
Yes, the courses are pretty self contained. I was a bit more concerned that
the most advanced one might be beyond my abilities without some extra
books, but I will see.
I have not ordered any books, as so far I have not seen any that I feel
fitted my needs. I will get a copy of volume 2 of the Fluke book. According
to the Fluke website it can be purchased from Fluke by contacting one’s
local representative. I will try that route before buying a used copy.
Dave
--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100
Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom