[time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US

[Robert Darlington]

Having personally worked on the government side of these export regulations,
I can assure you they were developed with good intentions.  The problem is
that Uncle Sam doesn't realize that vintage 1980s technology of the USA is
not much of a threat to national security when placed in the hands of the
folks in the UK (and most of the rest of the world).   I find it amusing
that I cannot export precision timing equipment to China, but have no
problem buying the exact same regulated equipment from a vendor in China
through eBay.  I also find it to be pretty sad, but that's a whole other
topic!

-Bob

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM, <EWKehren at aol.com> wrote:

> You have it all wrong. Having friends in the business, I can tell you what
> is going on. The reason the larger dealers have the restriction is, that
> some or  most of their products come from companies that do business with
> the
> government.  They are forced by contract to restrict sales to US addresses
> only and are  presently facing ways to even make it more restrictive.
> Government agencies  audit these sellers and violations as a minimum
> results in
> loss of  business. To reduce that risk and not having to account for what
> came
> from  where, many sellers opt for total "no foreign sales".  Intentional
> circumvention of that restriction can result in prosecution. Be  cageful.
> Don't
> ask me what I think of the governments actions.
> Bert Kehren WB5MZJ
>
>
> In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:40:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jmay at impulse.adsl24.co.uk writes:
>
> Blimey  Jim, you're a patient man!  To be fair most individual sellers
> are  happy enough to ship abroad if you ask them, it's the bigger dealers
> who seem to have rules carved in granite tablets...
>
> Jim  Palfreyman wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > I had the same problem from  Australia. And when they did ship the
> postage
> > would be more than the  unit! I had to wait and wait and wait. Finally
> (after
> > years) a good  seller who packed well, priced well put one up and I won.
> >
> >  Even if no one takes up your offer - if you do wait one will turn up.
> >
> > It's even worth asking them if they say not outside the US. Some  don't
> offer
> > because they think no one would pay $100 for postage -  when in fact we
> > would.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > 2009/7/16  John May <jmay at impulse.adsl24.co.uk>
> >
> >> I'm in the UK  and am often frustrated when a nice piece of kit is
> offered
> >> for  sale on the 'bay by dealers in the US who won't ship overseas.
> I've
> >> been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost out on a few nice  looking
> units
> >> because of this.  There's one sitting there  just now just to tease me!
> >>
> >> Is there anyone on the list  who'd be willing to act as an intermediary
> >> (take delivery and  resend) to circumvent this?
> >>
> >> I'd certainly be prepared  to help in a similar manner any stateside
> >> time-nut frustrated at  EU sellers who won't ship outside Europe (could
> help
> >> reduce  customs fees as well by marking as returned from repair   etc.)
> >>
> >> Regards -  JM
> >>
> >>
> >>
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