[time-nuts] Parts (Mouser) for the PICTIC II

Bob Camp lists at rtty.us
Fri Jul 9 19:19:57 EDT 2010


Hi

The RS-232 USB dongles are <$4 these days. They are enough cheaper that the TTL ones that the MAX232 and misc parts still don't make them more expensive.


Bob

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On Jul 9, 2010, at 5:28 PM, "Richard H McCorkle" <mccorkle at ptialaska.net> wrote:

> Bob,
> I included the option to go with a TTL output for users without a serial
> port that might need to feed TTL into an internal USB converter in their
> project or to drive a PC port directly with a short cable. Including the
> extra pads on the board and the TTL invert flag in the code adds no cost.
> But the option of adding appropriate jumpers or components allows TTL
> signals of either polarity to be used with a USB converter. I am not
> certain of the requirements for the different USB converters that might
> be available, but having normal or inverted TTL and RS-232 signals as
> options should provide enough flexibility to use a wide variety of USB
> converter options. I recommend the MAX232 be installed for normal
> serial port use as it will drive longer lines to a PC, with an RS-232 to
> USB dongle added as a simple solution if a serial port is not available.
>  I socketed all the devices on my board to simplify troubleshooting
> and repair should that be required in the future. At the minimum the
> PIC should be socketed to simplify reprogramming as new code is
> developed. I haven't lost a single 74AC74 input chip in 3 years of
> testing but a socket there is also a good idea. The XO and sample
> caps should be selected for the application and desired resolution.
> Three pads are provided for the sample caps so either 0.1” or 0.2”
> lead spacing can be accommodated. Use ceramic NPO/COG caps
> of 5% or better tolerance for best results. No additional parts will
> be required during calibration.
>  The 10M clock XO was selected as the default as many users have a
> 10M OCXO or GPSDO they may want to use as the counter reference.
> In a typical GPS monitoring application where the house 1PPS is
> compared  to GPS 1PPS with 1ns resolution the delay will normally
> be less than 10us and a 30PPM XO will provide sufficient stability
> to return accurate data. Over longer measurement intervals a higher
> stability clock would be needed to insure the clock drifted less than
> 1 cycle over the measurement interval to insure accurate data would
> be returned. For faster clocks 3x or 5x tuned multipliers or doublers
> can be used to derive the counter clock from a slower source. No
> clock conditioning is included on board so for accuracy over longer
> measurement intervals an external high-stability TTL clock needs
> to be supplied by the user.
>  Use of a high stability clock is possible by using an XO for the
> interpolator calibration, storing the calibration values in EEPROM,
> turning off the AutoCal routine, and switching to the external source
> for normal operation. If a faster external source than 10M is available
> the XO and sample capacitor values should be chosen to match the
> faster external rate you plan to use. The lower stability XO would be
> used during initial calibration to insure frequent coincidences between
> the inputs and clock as the XO drifts in frequency. As the inputs pass
> thru coincidence with the clock the interpolators pass thru their min
> and max limits, and the more times they pass thru the limits during a
> calibration cycle the more likely the data will correctly reflect those
> limits.
>  Peak detection of the interpolator data over a long period (> 1 hr)
> will capture the min and max limits and can then be used to determine
> the offset and span of the interpolators. When a high stability timebase
> and high stability sources are used long periods between coincidences
> can occur. This could result in improper peak values returned over a
> calibration cycle, so the AutoCal routine should either use much longer
> calibration intervals to capture the peak limits or be disabled when a
> high stability clock is used.
>  During setup the peak detector values can be displayed continuously
> and can be reset manually after an adjustment to start a new calibration
> cycle. Apply two 1PPS inputs to the counter and adjust the gain
> trimmers to give identical 800 count p-p spans and the offset trimmers
> to center the span in the ADC range. A difference in the channel gains
> will introduce an error in the final result, so a close gain match is
> desired. The offsets are not as critical but centering the data in the ADC
> span will provide a wider range the data can drift over temperature and
> age and stay within the ADC span. A series of adjust, reset, sample,
> and repeat cycles will be required to get the calibration values in the
> ballpark. Allow a full calibration cycle to complete to store the values
> determined in EEPROM. The counter will then use the stored values
> to correct the data mathematically to remove the offset and adjust the
> span for the desired gain. Once the interpolators have been calibrated
> the peak detector display and AutoCal routines can be disabled and
> the external high stability clock can be selected as the counter
> timebase for normal operation.
> 
> Richard
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> A few other things to consider:
>> 
>> The MAX 232 is an either / or with a transistor and a couple of resistors. Not a
>> lot of money either way. I'd just go for the MAX and leave out the transistor.
>> 
>> Putting the PIC in a skinny 14 pin socket would make things a bit easier if there
>> are software enhancements down the road.
>> 
>> Eventually you are going to blow out U4 (the input flip flop). I'd put it in a 14
>> pin socket.
>> 
>> The clock oscillator used is going to depend on what people are trying to do with
>> the gizmo. I suspect that a 20 or 40 MHz clock will be more popular than the 10 MHz
>> part listed. C16 and C17 are "selects" as well. I think I'd leave the clock as is
>> and toss in a couple of the alternate caps.
>> 
>> -----------
>> 
>> I wonder if there are any parts required to calibrate the assembled unit?
>> 
>> 
>> So many questions ....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 8, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Bob Bownes wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll get these 2 corrections in tonight. I was wondering if the 3/8"
>>> parts would fit.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> Another thing I think we need to get on the project is Q4:
>>>> 
>>>> 512-2N7000TA    Farichild's version at 0.13 each.
>>>> 
>>>> Since I didn't create the project I don't seem to be able to edit it ....
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 8, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Richard H McCorkle wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>> Instead of the 3266 series go to the 3296 series
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5K Trimmer, top adjust
>>>>> 652-3296W-1-502LF 7100 in stock
>>>>> 652-3296Y-1-502LF  590 in stock
>>>>> 
>>>>> 200 Trimmer, top adjust
>>>>> 652-3296W-1-201LF 1090 in stock
>>>>> 652-3296Y-1-201LF 830 in stock
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The real question somebody needs to answer is - will it work with side adjust
>>>>>> trimmers? If not, then we're going to have to find another source to get the
>>>>>> trimmers from.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The project on Mouser shows the 3266p trimmer. AFIK the correct part is the
>>>>>> 3266w.
>>>>>> The board also appears to be laid out for the 3266y. Another alternative is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 3266x. All the details of what's what are at:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.bourns.com/data/global/pdfs/3266.pdf
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My guess is that the 3266p isn't going to work. The 3266y is even harder to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> than the 3266w. The 3266x looks problematic when you go to do the adjustment
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rational solutions:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) Jameco shows the 3266w as "ships today" in 5 K ohms. Who knows how many
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> actually have....
>>>>>> 2) 3266w is available in the 2K ohm flavor at Mouser (lots in stock). If you
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> R16 and R23 to 1K ohms, the 2K pot should work fine.  That makes them the same
>>>>>> value as R5 and R6. One fewer line item ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd vote for option 2.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lester Veenstra wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Safe to get in the water yet?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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