[time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

Bob Camp lists at rtty.us
Fri Jul 23 12:57:52 EDT 2010


Hi

How much room do you have for the pendulum? Size is going to impact the
choice of designs quite a bit.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
Behalf Of Morris Odell
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:21 PM
To: time-nuts at febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

Hi all,

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my post. This is a wonderful
group of talented and erudite people and it was a pleasure to read the posts
(and private emails) on the subject of the Foucault pendulum. Where else
could the discussion range over timekeeping, mechanical suspension
arrangements, Tesla coils, Napoleon, sustaining systems, blades on the
pendulum bob, a host of references and all the other great stuff that turned
up.

This project is for a FP that will be part of an art installation. It's
unlikely to be permanent though unless a major gallery or collector likes
the work enough to buy it. Unfortunately this rules out commercial systems
costing tens of thousands of dollars.

>From my readings and suggestions from members of this group I have come to
understand the following:

The main issues in designing a FP are the sustaining  system, avoidance or
damping of elliptical motion and safety considerations in case the wire
breaks. Of course keeping fingers and draughts away is also a consideration.


Sustaining systems are mostly electromagnetic, either with a ring shaped
electromagnet at the top near the suspension point controlled by optical
sensors, or one or more coils below the centre point with a magnet on the
bob. This acts as both a sensor and "motor". There is also a reluctance type
driver described using mains frequency solenoids. The most elegant system is
the parametric one where the suspension point is oscillated up and down
sinusoidally at twice the pendulum frequency and there are no horizontal
forces acting on the bob at all. I found a very complex mathematical
analysis if that. It would be an interesting challenge using optical sensors
and a stepper perhaps to move a cam or crank to realise that.

Avoidance of elliptical motion and increasing the Q of the oscillator is one
of the reasons why most FPs are so long with heavy bobs. Despite this I
found some articles on short FPs, including one hanging from the wall and
used as a clock with a pendulum less than a metre long. Elliptical movement
is often controlled by a "Charron ring" which interacts with the wire to
limit ellipsoidal movement. There are also magnetic eddy current damping
systems described and one elegant method which uses a precisely timed pulsed
sustaining system to cancel elliptical motion.

As was pointed out, FPs are not primarily time keeping devices but there is
a relationship between the period of their precession and the rotation of
the planet, which is also dependent on Latitude. Perhaps unsurprisingly,
someone has described a FP clock which required an electronic system to stop
it for a few hours in the middle of the night to sync its movement to the 24
hour cycle. One can easily see GPS control creeping in there :-)

I hope the discussion continues, It's been great so far. I'll keep the group
posted on progress.

Cheers,

Morris




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