[time-nuts] Rb Tuning

Bob Camp lists at rtty.us
Thu Jul 29 19:44:55 EDT 2010


Hi

A divider can do harm if poorly implemented. Knowing the source and load characteristics can be a big help.

Bob 



On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:10 PM, "Didier Juges" <didier at cox.net> wrote:

> Attenuating the control voltage near the point of use is always a good idea when you are concerned about common mode or ground noise and particularly when you have excess dynamic range, but you have to consider the noise added by the divider. Some filtering may be required, and use as low a set of resistor values as practical.
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> Didier
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> From: "Bob Camp" <lists at rtty.us>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:41:47 
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> Subject: [time-nuts] Rb Tuning
> 
> Hi
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> Something to think about as you go to tune your Rb:
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> 1) If the tune range is 5 V for 5 x 10^-9 (+/- 2.5x10^-9) then it’s a ppb /
> volt or a ppt / mV. (from http://www.ham-radio.com/sbms/LPRO-101.pdf)
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> 2) If you are after a goal of 1x10^-13, then that’s 0.1 ppt and 0.1 mV
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> 3) The Rb pulls a half amp to an amp running normally. 
> 
> 4) One foot of number 18 wire is 6.3 mOhms (from
> http://www.thelearningpit.com/elec/tools/tables/Wire_table.htm)
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> 5) One amp in that wire will give you 6.3 mV 
> 
> 6) Copper wire has a temperature coefficient of 0.00393 / C at room (1%
> change in 2.5 C) (from
> http://www.cirris.com/testing/temperature/copper.html)
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> 7) The current in the Rb heater will move around a bit
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> The current and resistance would have to be stable to 1/630 or 0.15% for it
> to be negligible relative to your goal. At 1.5% it would be the same as the
> goal.
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> Your Rb may only be ½ as sensitive as the one in the example. It also may
> pull ½ A compared to the one amp I used. That gets you to a stability that
> still needs to be better than 1%. I suspect you also will find that the
> connections to the wire have a *lot* more resistance than the foot of wire –
> back to 0.1% land. There’s also the chance that you needed more than a foot
> of wire or used something smaller than number 18. For 10 feet you would need
> number 8 to get the same resistance. 
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> There are a couple of solutions:
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> 1)       Reference your tuning voltage directly to the Rb ground via sense
> leads.
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> 2)       Float the controller and single point ground it at the Rb 
> 
> 3)       Attenuate the control signal at the Rb by 600:1, your tune range is
> now 8x10^-12 (or +/- 4x10-12).
> 
> 4)       Bolt everything to a 6” x 6” copper buss bar. (or is that to small
> ….)
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> 
> Sense leads probably bring in another amp in the design. It’s stability
> could be an issue. Floating the controller may or may not be possible
> depending on the design. Attenuating the control voltage at the Rb by 10:1
> looks like a real good idea, regardless of what else you do. 
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> Of course that’s not the whole story. The connections also have thermo
> electric effects.
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> So many things to worry about.  
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> Bob
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