[time-nuts] EFC tracking

Didier Juges didier at cox.net
Mon Jun 28 14:49:18 EDT 2010


Bob,

Do you have a part number to suggest a quick glance a the TI web site did not show up any parts in that category...

I found a Cirrus Logic ADC with chopper front end and good low noise specs, CS5530.

It's a 24 bit ADC but the ENB (noise free) drops to 15 at 1ksample/sec. Even at the lowest rate, it only has 19 bits noise free, so I assume digital filtering would be required to obtain 24 bits of resolution.

Didier


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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] EFC tracking

Hi

TI has a line of ADC's that drop a chopper stabilization loop around a fairly normal 24 bit "audio ADC" part. Their claimed benefit is that they take down the level of flicker noise and DC drift present in audio only parts. 

Since most of the "interesting" stuff on an EFC is long time span, flicker noise is indeed something to be concerned about.

Bob


On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:07 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> In message <HMEBKHFEACMNLMHIAFDNEEGPONAC.jmiles at pop.net>, "John Miles" writes:
> 
>>> That is actually a very debatable proposition, a lot of them are
>>> tracking types that conveniently cover up any lack of linearity
>>> on the analog side of the fence.
>> 
>> Can you elaborate on that?  Linearity is linearity - wouldn't it ultimately
>> show up in the card's IMD specs?
> 
> That would sort of assume there were relevant specs provided.
> 
> The Audio ADC's are provided with audio relevant specs, which are
> not the specs you would care about in the suggested application.
> 
> Broadly speaking, the important ability for a audio ADC is to be
> able to capture the top 16 significant bits of a continuous signal
> in an approx 24 bit space, sort of like a 16b*2^8b floating point
> format.
> 
> Concerns like long term stability top out at "30 seconds", whereas
> woodoo-concerns like clock-jitter has gotten all the snakeoil
> recently.
> 
> And then there are the features that really will totally get
> you in this application: autozero features, that are built with
> the assumption that any DC on the ADC should be compensated out.
> 
> These ADC's are great for sound and they are almost perfect for Ham's
> SDR experiements.
> 
> But they are not and will never be 7∏ digit 200 ksps instrumentation
> grade ADCs.
> 
> You can get a brand new china-style DVM with USB port for approx
> 150USD on ebay, and as other said, you can get a HP3456A for as
> little as 50USD, but would need a GPIB-USB converter.
> 
> By the time you have fixed a long term reference for your soundcard,
> which likely entails a buried zener chip, a totally new input
> section and a thermally controlled enclosure, you will have spent
> many times that, and still get a performance much worse than the
> HP3456A.
> 
> So if the objective is to learn about analog/digital converters
> and their ailments: go for it.
> 
> If the objective is to measure the EFC voltage over the long term,
> hit ebay, find instrument built for such purposes and move on.
> 
> Poul-Henning
> 
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