[time-nuts] The future of UTC

[Ron Smith]

The problem is: multiple users in a wide area application, where manual 
reset of the "new" time is required - and some don't bother..

I have to process CCTV images from a wide range of separate, individual 
organisations, over whom I have no control.
Some of them do a reset, others do not. Twice per year a lot of my time is 
wasted sorting out who has gone to DST (or vice versa) and who hasn't.
Just as some users realise their system time is out by one hour, it's the 
time of year to change again!
Automatic resets are the answer, but the smaller cheap-skate organisations 
will not spend the money.

As soon as this illogical twice-yearly fiasco is ended, the better.
Daylight Saving Time is a misnomer anyway - it's really Daylight Shifting 
Time.
If you want more daylight, get out of bed earlier. Hate DST, keep UTC 
Universal.

Ron The One


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Palfreyman" <jim77742 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" 
<time-nuts at febo.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC


Mr HeathKid,

What is your reason for "hating dst". The changeover is a pain - but after
that, what is the problem?

Jim


On 22 July 2011 14:23, Heathkid <heathkid at heathkid.com> wrote:

> I live at 39° 57' 46" N and I absolutely HATE DST!  Yes, Indiana... we
> haven't had DST for too long.  It's bad and I hope some day we go back to
> not having it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Kimberley" <
> rk at timing-consultants.com>
> To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" <
> time-nuts at febo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:57 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC
>
>
>  My earlier reply about flexible working practices still holds. Why not
>> just
>> move with the seasons. Before clocks, I'm sure that's what we did - we 
>> got
>> up when it was light, and went to bed when it was dark. The bit in 
>> between
>> just happens to be elastic...
>>
>> I live at 53 degrees North in the UK by the way.
>>
>> Rob K
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com 
>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@**febo.com<time-nuts-bounces at febo.com>]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jim Palfreyman
>> Sent: 19 July 2011 1:58 PM
>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC
>>
>> Far out. I've just read so many logical fallacies and government
>> conspiracies I'm embarrassed for this high quality list. Let's inject 
>> some
>> facts here.
>>
>> I live at 43 degrees south. At the winter solstice (June 21) the sun 
>> rises
>> at 7:41 and sets at 16:43.
>>
>> At the summer solstice (December 21) the sun rises (no DST) at 04:28 and
>> sets at 19:49.
>>
>> Sunrise at 04:28 is ridiculous. Including twilight it starts getting 
>> light
>> at 3:30. Switch to DST and sunrise moves to 05:28 and sets at 20:49. Much
>> more reasonable. Nice summer evenings too.
>>
>> We have DST for 6 months of the year and wouldn't swap it for anything.
>>
>> I understand it's different the closer to the equator you are, but for 
>> mid
>> latitudes it really works.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 19 July 2011, Thomas A Frank <ka2cdk at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> BLOCK: This may be kind of an urban legend, but I thought I had heard
>>>>>
>>>> that one of the backers behind extending Daylight Saving Time into the
>> beginning of November was the candy industry, and it all had to do with
>> Halloween.
>>
>>>
>>>>> Mr. DOWNING: This is no kind of legend. This is the truth. For 25
>>>>> years,
>>>>>
>>>> candy-makers have wanted to get trick-or-treat covered by Daylight
>> Saving,
>> figuring that if children have an extra hour of daylight, they'll collect
>> more candy. In fact, they went so far during the 1985 hearings on 
>> Daylight
>> Saving as to put candy pumpkins on the seat of every senator, hoping to
>> win
>> a little favor.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say it backfired.
>>>
>>> At least here in Rhode Island, the extra daylight resulted in the
>>>
>> compression of the trick or treating schedule, since all the little
>> goblins
>> and ghouls wanted to go out after dark (to better scare the homeowners 
>> and
>> enjoy their glow in the dark costumes), but they also were expected home
>> by
>> 8pm (local).
>>
>>>
>>> Net result is less candy given out.
>>>
>>> At least that has been my experience.
>>>
>>> Proving you shouldn't tamper with time. Measure yes, tamper, no. :-)
>>>
>>> Tom Frank, KA2CDK
>>>
>>>
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