[time-nuts] HP106B crystal oscillator
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Thu Mar 17 17:21:00 EDT 2011
Manson started out in Connecticut and then was bought out by Halicrafters. A
number of people at Manson decided that they didn't want to make the move to
Chicago after the buy out. The pre-move and post move Manson stuff was done
very differently, since it was done by a completely different bunch of
From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:23 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Cc: David Olean K1WHS
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP106B crystal oscillator
Dave, I haven't seen an actual Manson standard, but I do recall that one
was listed in an ancient Tucker catalog (from the early 80s). I'm just
now unpacking my library after our move, and should soon uncover that
catalog if I still have it. Let me know if you'd like me to scan the
Manson info for you -- it's only a picture and a few words, plus
Tucker's used price.
On 3/17/2011 3:34 PM, David Olean K1WHS wrote:
> I have a vintage HP 106B crystal oscillator. It has been sitting around
for a few years and I just recently found a schematic for it. It was enough
so I could dig in and check things out. The first thing I tried when I got
it was to run the unit on external power as the internal PS seemed to be
hosed. The oscillator fired up and stabilized at something very close to 5
MHz so I suspected that the ovens were working properly. There it sat for a
few years until I found a schematic so I could fix the power supply.
> The first chore was to remove the old and defunct NiCd battery pack
and I discovered that it was causing the power supply to be NG. I ordered
some new D Cell NiCDs (20 in fact) and rebuilt the NiCd pack. Once the
shorted cells were removed the supply started working again and all voltages
are within range. I was thrilled to get it working. With the new cells in
place, they trickle charge and will run the unit for many hours during power
failures and moves.
> This HP106B was in the cal lab at Sanders Associates at Nashua, NH.
It was apparently scrapped around 2006, and ended up out in the weather in a
metal scrap yard in Northwood, NH where my brother found it and then he gave
it to me. He knew I liked precision things so figured I would like the
HP106B. (Good thinking!) At present there are only two issues with the unit.
The meter face is cracked and partially broken. But what do you expect from
getting thrown in a dump anyway? The fine tuning gear train has a problem
and seems to be binding up with only a limited range of travel. I hope I can
find a new meter cover. The movement is perfectly fine.
> Now that it is working, I plugged it in and it has been running for
about 2 weeks. Initial results are encouraging. I set freq with the coarse
adjustment and so far it seems to be quite stable when compared to a Z3801.
My initial setting produced results within 4 parts in 10-9 of the Z3801, and
that has remained pretty much constant these last two weeks. (I compare
frequencies on 10,368 MHz to see how close the counters are) To get the
initial setting, I used an oscilloscope to freeze the two traces (Z3801&
HP106B) I was not too careful but I am encouraged that the drift over 2
weeks seems to be non existent as far as I can see. Eventually, I will get
up my nerve and attack the fine tuning gear train. First I need to run
things for a few months and try to get a feel for how well the oscillator is
working. Then I have to figure out the best way to calibrate it!
> I also have a pair of old tube type Manson proportional oven
oscillators. Part #s are RD-140 and RD-146. They are 1 MHz units. I have
one of those running but suspect that they are not very good performers. I
just turned it on, and after a few days still see fluctuations of +/- 0.2
Hz. Maybe I need to DC regulate the filament of the oscillator tube? That is
an obvious source of error. Possibly I could run it on a constant voltage
transformer to test my theory. These old klunker oscillators are fun. So
much labor went into their construction etc, that I feel it is a sacrilege
to ignominiously heave them into the dumpster. They deserve better! Has
anyone else ever seen these Manson oscillators?
> Dave Olean K1WHS
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