[time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

Bob Camp lists at rtty.us
Tue Feb 7 18:05:22 UTC 2012


Hi

The phase noise of the FE's is not great, even inside +/- 3 KHz. To do an
adequate job of cleaning them up, something like a < 1 Hz loop bandwidth PLL
would be needed. 

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
Behalf Of C. Turner
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:48 PM
To: time-nuts at febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference
for microwave transverters

Hello,

As has been mentioned here before, the output of the "non-tunable" 
FE-5680A's has been noted to have low-level spurs in it - no doubt due 
to the way the various frequency loops are derived within, some using 
DDS techniques.  It is for this reason that when I packaged my FE-5680A 
in its own, stand-alone enclosure I included a fairly narrow band (+/-6 
kHz @ -6dBc) crystal-based bandpass filter in the output.

After more recent testing of two FE-5680A's using two different 10 GHz 
microwave transverters, I've determined that this filtering just isn't 
enough.  At first, it was assumed/hoped that the racket that I was 
hearing was coming from somewhere else - perhaps the switching 
up-converter or some other interaction - or just something "odd" about 
my homebrew 10 GHz transverter, but this is, unfortunately, not the case.

In testing with a DownEast Microwave 10 GHz transverter fitted with an 
N5AC synthesizer, the CW notes sounded nice and clean when locked to the 
Z3801 and there was only a trace of modulation that I'd not really 
noticed before when I used the Efratom LPRO-101, but when the '5680A was 
connected, the incidental PM was bad enough that it was difficult to 
determine where, exactly, zero beat was!  Since the synthesizer uses a 
fairly high reference frequency internally there was little impediment 
to the low-level phase modulation on the reference.

I compared this with my own homebrew 10 GHz transverter.  This unit uses 
an 18.4 MHz Butler VCXO that is multiplied to 110.4 MHz which is then 
fed to a "brick" oscillator with the 110.4 MHz being compared to the 10 
MHz reference using a harmonic mixer, locking to the 400 kHz residual.  
Since this unit has a comparatively low loop bandwidth in the VCXO the 
grunge was considerably reduced, but still objectionable, giving some 
hope that a simple VCXO scheme might make the '5680A usable.

I still have yet to do a more-detailed analysis of the phase modulation 
that is appearing on the 10 GHz signals, but I can clearly hear a low 
frequency modulation source (perhaps the lock-in amplifier) plus a 
myriad of other audio frequency components and their harmonics.  Again, 
with the LPRO-101 was very "clean" by comparison and I could *just* hear 
some similar, very low-level noises in the background that I'd not 
really noticed before.

As it is, the '5680A-based reference is unusable with the N5AC 
synthesizer and its wide loop bandwidth and "almost" usable with my 
homebrew transverter and its comparatively narrow loop bandwidth.  I'm 
now bent on making the '5680A usable as a microwave reference, but my 
current plans are to build a simple 10 MHz Butler VCXO and then lock it 
to the '5680A using a very "slow" loop filter:  In that way, I'm hoping 
that the phase noise will be largely that of the 10 MHz VCXO and its 
cheap CPU-type crystal rather than the '5680A!

Clint
KA7OEI


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