[time-nuts] Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI

Fri Feb 17 18:48:22 UTC 2012

And for the good older days, I have some General Radio equipment,
especially precision variable capacitors, made in the late 1920's that I
still use for calibration standards.
Don

paul swed
> I believe in HPs case a unique situation occurred on the old gear.
> That is there were and are people at agilent willing to take the time to
> preserve their history. After all its still pretty fantastic stuff even
> at
> 20, 30, and yes I have a piece in the 40-50 years old era. Generally
> amazingly well built. I do know that when test and measurement was HP
> their
> support was top notch both for me professionally and personally. It did
> effect what I chose to buy for the business. But on the personal side
> they
> always helped I was above board about why I was calling.
> Ahhh for the good ole days.
> Regards
> Paul
> WB8TSL
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> The closest the communications business got to this was back in the
>> days
>> when Motorola would buy back all the used gear. They then carted it
>> all off
>> to a crusher. Without something like that - it all will go to the
>> scrap
>> merchants and be parted out.
>> Bob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:25 AM
>> To: time-nuts at febo.com
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI
>>
>>  I am not so sure they have a lot of influence on what happens to
>> equipment
>> once they sell it to an OEM (e.g., Motorola).  The OEM then
>> incorporates it
>> into other equipment (cell systems) which are sold to cell service
>> providers, which is then scrapped out and sold to scrap dealers.
>> Realistically, I can't see one component supplier having the influence
>> to
>> cause the addition of costs all the way down the line to have to
>> comply
>> with
>> this kind of demand, especially when the end user (the cell service
>> providers) are in other countries such as China.  And to impose this
>> demand
>> retroactively to sales?  Fat chance; the cell service providers would
>> just
>> tell FEI they are welcome to bid on their scrap like everyone else.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 02/17/12, paul swed<paulswedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The used market makes no difference to them. No revenue stream.
>> In fact I would say you are swatting at the behive. It would be wise
>> to
>> leave them alone since several have reached out and already had a poor
>> experience.
>> As someone else pointed out this is what gets manufactures to demand
>> crushing or drilling holes etc. Further the very hard work being done
>> by
>> this group to understand these units can be at risk if FEI decides to
>> really get cranky.
>> Regards
>> Paul
>> WB8TSL
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Steve <iteration69 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If the device is reverse engineered and the work made public domain,
>> > the device is likely to increase in value on the used market. I've
>> seen
>> > this before when proprietary products are reversed.
>> > Suddenly they are transformed from black magic, in to something that
>> a
>> > community of people may thoroughly discuss, modify, repair, and
>> > maintain. This makes a hot, usable device, for years to come.
>> >
>> > The last big reversing project I worked on dealt in the automotive
>> > sector, I made my work available in a rar'd collection of abstract
>> html
>> > pages and documents within a directory that was easy to save and
>> pass
>> > on. I also encouraged everyone who looked at the document to
>> download it
>> > and pass it along. The system operators of the servers where the
>> files
>> > were originally located were told to remove the documents due to
>> vague
>> > claims of IP violations. The internet archive also removed my work
>> as it
>> > was cited for the same IP violoations. So in addition to increasing
>> the
>> > value of the device, reverse engineering also brings the very
>> reversing
>> > documentation under fire.
>> >
>> > usenet is a good place to distribute such a document, and it's also
>> a
>> > good idea to use several names so that any counter efforts are
>> forced
>> > to find all the derivatives.
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >
>> > > Or worse, they will start requiring their scrappers to use a drill
>> > > press or punch to render the physics package unusable. I've seen
>> this
>> > > done locally by hard drive manufacturers- hundreds of pounds of
>> > > working HDs destroyed on purpose on a regular basis. If they only
>> > > scrap "killed" units, no one will want to reverse engineer them.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Dave
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Mike McCauley" <mikem at open.com.au>
>> > > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
>> > > <time-nuts at febo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:02:28 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI
>> > >
>> > > Hmmm,
>> > >
>> > > Seems they dont realise that their lack of cooperation will lead,
>> not
>> > > to protecting their product, but rather to the massive, public
>> > > reverse engineering of it?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Friday, February 17, 2012 05:43:49 PM Gerald Molenkamp wrote:
>> > > > I have written to them on several occasions about 56
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent via Gerald's iPad
>> > > >
>> > > > Begin forwarded message:
>> > > > > From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
>> > > > > Date: 16 February 2012 10:58:10 AEDT
>> > > > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>> > > > > <time-nuts at febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Contact
>> > > > > FEI Reply-To: nerd at verizon.net, Discussion of precise time and
>> > > > > frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I haven't personally tried but others have reported they were
>> > > > > somewhat less than cooperative.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Peter
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 2/15/2012 6:23 PM, Bill Riches wrote:
>> > > > >> Just curious,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Has anyone on this list actually contacted FEI and enquired
>> > > > >> about a schematic or other info about our 5680 units? They
>> are
>> > > > >> still being sold by them.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> 73,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Bill Riches, WA2DVU
>> > > > >> Cape May, NJ
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
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