[time-nuts] WWVB and Free Democracies Survival

[Bob Camp]

Hi

…. and the same cockroach approach is by far the easier way to take out a cell system.

Bob

On Jul 15, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:48 AM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>> Rather than messing with WWVB, some LORAN-C should be put back on the air.
>> It is essentially impossible to jam, unlike GPS or WWVB.
>> 
>> I could easily see it with a small (1') loop and a 'scope.
>> 
>> YMMV,
>> 
>> -John
>> 
>> ==================
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Perry you mean like the 10' X 10' loop I put up?
>>> It has about 800 ft of wire.
>>> Brang the daytime signal fro 30 uv to an easy 60 +.
>>> Compared to a 2.5 ft loop.
>>> Yes higher power would be good.
>>> Regards
>>> paul
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Perry Sandeen <sandeenpa at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> GM List,
>>>> 
>>>> What has not been mentioned so far is national security needs of the
>>>> democratic nations of the world for uninterrupted accurate
>>>> time/frequency
>>>> information that is not subject to interference or destruction by those
>>>> nations diametrically opposed to personal freedom.
>>>> 
>>>> The United States GPS system is an unparalleled success providing
>>>> inexpensive time and frequency standards worldwide and it is relied on
>>>> for
>>>> innumerable critical tasks.
>>>> 
>>>> But it requires using satellites.   They are subject to destruction or
>>>> degradation from the ground over the sovereign territory by those rouge
>>>> states that would be so inclined.  The ability to destroy a satellite
>>>> from
>>>> the earth has already ben demonstrated by one nation.  There are
>>>> numerous
>>>> reports of shall we say *Malicious Tinkering* on other satellites.
>>>> 
>>>> Setting aside the enormous expense, technical difficulties such as the
>>>> need for sophisticated and extremely limited amount of rocket launches
>>>> available make the system unsustainable to GPS satellites continued
>>>> destruction or degradation from a land based source.
> 
> 
> If you are worried about the system surviving an attack, a Loran
> system can be taken out by something as un-sophisticated as just one
> car bomb.   One guy working along could do it.    Taking out a
> satellite at 400 miles up is a MUCH harder problem.
> 
> Don't say people in the government don't think about this.  One
> solution being worked is very small satellites.  What can yo pack in a
> one cubic foot box?  What if you could launch 100 such boxes from a
> solid fueled rocked based in a silo (like an ICBM that can be launched
> on a VERY short count down)   Othr research ares are "mesh networks"
> That might address the question of "what could you do with 100,000
> iPhones in orbit.
> 
> If you are worried about security and jamming the solution is NOT a
> powerful, wide area broadcast.  No you use a great number of tiny
> overlapping cells combined with spread spectrum and strong encryption
> and you control it with a some kind of self organizing mesh network,
> not a top-down control system.   What this does is mimic nature.
> Think about rats and cockroaches
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Albertson
> Redondo Beach, California
> 
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