[time-nuts] Z3805A Serial Port
Edgardo Molina
xe1xus at amsat.org
Tue Oct 16 04:43:02 UTC 2012
Dear Chuck,
Thank you. Now I have a viable default configuration. I will keep you posted on my results with the values you kindly sent to me and how your software is behaving.
Regards,
Edgardo Molina
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On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, BD Systems Inc. <bdsysco at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Edgardo, most HP GPS receivers default to 9600,N,8,1. The Z3801A defaults to 19200,O,7, 1
>
> Chuck.
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> 1. Re: Mouser connector (shalimr9 at gmail.com)
> 2. Re: Mouser connector (Joseph Gray)
> 3. Re: HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions (SAIDJACK at aol.com)
> 4. Re: HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions (SAIDJACK at aol.com)
> 5. Re: HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions (Edgardo Molina)
> 6. Re: HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions (Tom Van Baak)
> 7. Re: HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions (Ulrich Bangert)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:18:54 -0500
> From: shalimr9 at gmail.com
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
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> Actually they were Digikey part numbers...
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> Didier KO4BB
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> Sent from my Droid Razr 4G LTE wireless tracker.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Gray <jgray at zianet.com>
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
> Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 7:00 PM
> Subject: [time-nuts] Mouser connector
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> I remember someone mentioning long ago about making GPIB cables with
> ribbon cable and IDC connectors from Mouser. I can't find that
> information again. What is the Mouser part number for those IDC
> connectors?
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> Thanks,
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> Joe Gray
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> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:30:37 -0600
> From: Joseph Gray <jgray at zianet.com>
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> Wow, the Digikey price shot up as well. I guess I'll ebay a cable.
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> Joe Gray
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> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:18 PM, <shalimr9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually they were Digikey part numbers...
>>
>> Didier KO4BB
>>
>> Sent from my Droid Razr 4G LTE wireless tracker.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Gray <jgray at zianet.com>
>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
>> Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 7:00 PM
>> Subject: [time-nuts] Mouser connector
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>> I remember someone mentioning long ago about making GPIB cables with
>> ribbon cable and IDC connectors from Mouser. I can't find that
>> information again. What is the Mouser part number for those IDC
>> connectors?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe Gray
>> W5JG
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> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:58:01 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SAIDJACK at aol.com
> To: time-nuts at febo.com
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions
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> I think the Z3801A has the 6 channel receiver, the Z3805A seems to have the
> 16 channel GPS.
>
> Otherwise very similar I think.. both have the 10811 DOCXO, and very
> similar looking PCB's..
>
> Rick, do you know of any other differences by any chance?
>
> Said
>
>
> In a message dated 10/14/2012 16:20:47 Pacific Daylight Time,
> jgray at zianet.com writes:
>
> Just cuious, of the two 58503A versions that yixunhk sells (Z3801A and
> Z3805A), which one has the better performance? I see that the Z3805A
> version has two 10 MHz outputs and one PPS.
>
> Joe Gray
> W5JG
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> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:05:05 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SAIDJACK at aol.com
> To: time-nuts at febo.com
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions
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> Hi Edgardo,
>
> I think the Z3805A and 58503A are identical, except in the rubber bumpers,
> maybe the power supply voltage setting, and the ID string..
>
> I don't really care, the three units I have perform much better than
> anything else I have, so that satisfies my requirements..
>
> In fact one of the units' ADEV can only be qualified by the BVA 8600 o
> scillator I have, and I don't know if I am measuring the BVA performance or the
> 58503A because I am measuring right at the specification of the BVA unit..
> Wish I had two BVA's :)
>
> bye,
> Said
>
>
> In a message dated 10/14/2012 15:41:25 Pacific Daylight Time,
> xe1xus at amsat.org writes:
>
> Derived question: Will I get better GPSDO performance if I use a 58503A
> receiver? Or do you think our units match those 58503A GPSDOs out there?
>
> Again, thanks to everybody who helped me to figure out about my receivers
> and their inner workings. As always, you all made my day.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Edgardo Molina
> Direcci?n IPTEL
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> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:36:05 -0500
> From: Edgardo Molina <xe1xus at amsat.org>
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> <time-nuts at febo.com>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions
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> Dear Said,
>
> I am having a very hard time trying to guess the communication port configuration of the HP Z3805A. I am trying with different port settings to match the PC and using different monitor and control programs. The afternoon was not that fruitful regarding this. Is there a chance you have the default port configuration for the Z3805A so I can match my PC serial port configuration?
>
> I might be unavailable to respond to you tomorrow during the day, as I will be at Queretaro with restricted access to the Internet. Despite this I will be able to read my mail, not respond to it. Hope you don't mind.
>
> Your kind help is always welcome. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Edgardo Molina
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> On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:05 PM, SAIDJACK at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Edgardo,
>>
>> I think the Z3805A and 58503A are identical, except in the rubber bumpers,
>> maybe the power supply voltage setting, and the ID string..
>>
>> I don't really care, the three units I have perform much better than
>> anything else I have, so that satisfies my requirements..
>>
>> In fact one of the units' ADEV can only be qualified by the BVA 8600 o
>> scillator I have, and I don't know if I am measuring the BVA performance or the
>> 58503A because I am measuring right at the specification of the BVA unit..
>> Wish I had two BVA's :)
>>
>> bye,
>> Said
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/14/2012 15:41:25 Pacific Daylight Time,
>> xe1xus at amsat.org writes:
>>
>> Derived question: Will I get better GPSDO performance if I use a 58503A
>> receiver? Or do you think our units match those 58503A GPSDOs out there?
>>
>> Again, thanks to everybody who helped me to figure out about my receivers
>> and their inner workings. As always, you all made my day.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Edgardo Molina
>> Direcci?n IPTEL
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> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:04:09 -0700
> From: "Tom Van Baak" <tvb at LeapSecond.com>
> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
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> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions
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>> In fact one of the units' ADEV can only be qualified by the BVA 8600 o
>> scillator I have, and I don't know if I am measuring the BVA performance or the
>> 58503A because I am measuring right at the specification of the BVA unit..
>> Wish I had two BVA's :)
>>
>> bye,
>> Said
>
> Said,
>
> If you can do without one of your best GPSDO or BVA for a week, send it up here for an accurate measurement.
>
> /tvb
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> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:43:45 +0200
> From: "Ulrich Bangert" <df6jb at ulrich-bangert.de>
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>> There's another telco model that has an MTI 260 oscillator, that I
>> think was manufactured in Korea but does not have the Samsung logo on
>> the front. I don't know much about that one.
>
> I do own a Z3805 WITH the Samsung logo on the front AND WITH a MTI 260 inside.
>
> Regards
> Ulrich Bangert
>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com
>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] Im Auftrag von Said Jackson
>> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2012 00:16
>> An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>> Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>> Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I believe Edgardo bought the reprogrammed 58503A unit (was a
>> Z3805A before) from Ebay.
>>
>> I have the same units recently purchased from yinxhu(sp?) on
>> Ebay and Edgardo just confirmed these are indeed 16 channel
>> units with true 10811 Docxos.
>>
>> Explains why they work so great..
>>
>> Edgardo, I use GPSCon with these, and mine are all Rs232..
>>
>> Mine achieve performance in the xE-013 and noise below
>> -162dBc (Thunderbolt eat your heart out :). I believe there
>> is no better GPSDO out there presently, much less available
>> for sale and at those prices. PN at 1Hz is better than -105dBc..
>>
>> I regularly get below 1us predicted drift as shown by the
>> syst:stat? command.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Said
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:24, John Ackermann N8UR <jra at febo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Edgardo --
>>>
>>> I don't know a lot about the Z3805 variations other than what's on
>>> fluke.l's site, which can be a bit confusing. All were
>> made by (for)
>>> HP/Agilent/Symmetricom, but there were apparently at least two
>>> "official" variations.
>>>
>>> Mine is the Samsung version, which has the same 10811A
>> double oven as
>>> the Z3801, and a 16 channel Furuno GPS, 2 x 10 MHz and 2 x
>> 1 PPS, and
>>> dual comm ports. It's still aging in, but it seems to
>> perform about
>>> the same as my older Z3801A, with stability below 1e12 from
>> 1 second
>>> on out.
>>>
>>> There's another telco model that has an MTI 260 oscillator, that I
>>> think was manufactured in Korea but does not have the
>> Samsung logo on
>>> the front. I don't know much about that one.
>>>
>>> Then there's the one that's boxed up like a 58503A bench
>> unit, which I
>>> think is not directly from HP/Agilent/Symmetricom, but is a
>> telco unit
>>> repackaged by someone in China. I'm not sure what's in
>> there. One of
>>> the ones on eBay right now says that it has a 6 channel
>> receiver, and
>>> was "upgraded by us which the feature is the same as 58503A". Good
>>> luck figuring out what's in that one... (by the way, none of the
>>> current listings are from fluke.l)
>>>
>>> John
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Edgardo Molina said the following on 10/14/2012 12:29 PM:
>>>> Dear John,
>>>>
>>>> Very interesting. I haven't had the time to compare the Samsung
>>>> branded units with the typical HP units. Mine is the
>> later. It only
>>>> has one communications port, plus 2x10 MHz and 2x 1PPS. As
>> soon as I
>>>> am done with the late family breakfast I will do some
>> testing and let
>>>> you know what I find.
>>>>
>>>> How does the oscillators from the Samsung units compare to the HP
>>>> units? Are the Samsung units superior in any sense? Both have the
>>>> same GPS receiver/number of channels?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for opening my curiosity regarding this GPSDO model.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Edgardo Molina
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>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 8:23 AM, John Ackermann N8UR <jra at febo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the unit I bought from fluke.l, with a "Samsung"
>> label, there are
>>>>> two serial ports. The bottom one is the control port and is
>>>>> definitely RS-232. The top port has only three wires
>> (TXD, RXD, SG)
>>>>> and I think is used for some sort of monitoring.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using Ulrich's "z38xx" software to monitor it with good
>>>>> success.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Edgardo Molina said the following on 10/13/2012 10:18 PM:
>>>>>> Dear Group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good evening. I bought two HP Z3805A units a few weeks ago. They
>>>>>> were bare units without antenna or power supply. After
>> struggling
>>>>>> to find a suitable 24V 3A noise free power supply for
>> each of them,
>>>>>> I mounted a couple of Symmetricom antennas and just
>> fired them up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After around 25 minutes, the GPS Lock light lighted up. As the
>>>>>> manual for this particular model is unobtainable in several
>>>>>> searches through the Internet, I found that the readily
>> available
>>>>>> manual for the Z3801A would cover much of the Z3905A
>> operation. I
>>>>>> also got a software for monitoring the operation from BD Systems
>>>>>> Inc. In Colorado. Now that I am sure both are operating
>> and locked
>>>>>> only by looking at the front panel lights, I would like to ask a
>>>>>> couple of questions regarding their communication to the PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Is the DB-25 serial port carrying RS-232 signals? I
>> see the port
>>>>>> of the Z380A1 is different: RS-422. 2. If the port is
>> plain RS-232
>>>>>> is it possible to use a Serial to USB adapter? I have
>> heard about
>>>>>> the inconsistencies that such an adapter could cause
>> when used with
>>>>>> a TBolt. Should I assume this is the same case with the
>> Z3805A? 3.
>>>>>> There was once a project for building a TBolt state
>> monitor on a 2
>>>>>> line LCD screen. I own three of those monitors and they are just
>>>>>> great. Is there an equivalent for these HP GPS units?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions for the operation of these units and your ever
>>>>>> expert and kind advise is always welcome. You all have a nice
>>>>>> weekend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edgardo Molina
>>>>>> Direcci?n IPTEL
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