[time-nuts] 60 Hz line quirks, anybody recognize this stuff?

Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R caf at omen.com
Sat Sep 1 22:16:46 UTC 2012


On 09/01/2012 02:17 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote:
> On 09/01/2012 08:35 AM, Hal Murray wrote:
>> The context is using the 60 Hz line for timing.
>>
>> I'm feeding 60 Hz from a wall wart transformer into a modem control 
>> signal
>> that the kernel PPS stuff watches.  Mostly, it works as expected, but
>> occasionally, it picks or drops a cycle.
>>
>> In order to understand what was going on, I fed the same signal into the
>> audio input and setup a job to capture the audio.  Here is an example 
>> of a
>> pick:
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Aug-09-a-pick.png 
>>
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Aug-09-a0.png
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Aug-09-a1.png
>>
>> OK, that somewhat makes sense.
>>
>>
>> Something happened several days ago.  I used to get picks/drops 
>> rarely, say
>> ballpark of 1 a month.  Now I'm getting 10 or 20 per day.  So I started
>> looking closer.
>>
>> I'm now seeing stuff like this.  I've got lots and lots of examples.  
>> I added
>> a second PC with different hardware.  It sees the same stuff.
>>
>> Does anybody recognize this?
>>
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Sep-01-a0.png
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Sep-01-b0.png
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Sep-01-c0.png
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Sep-01-d0.png
>> http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/line/2012-Sep-01-e0.png
>>
>>
>
> It's interesting to notice that you have about the same distance from 
> the middle in all 5 examples. It's like you trigger a diode drop for a 
> while. Notice that there is a small slope towards zero.
>
> Cheers,
> Magnus
>
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I have noticed many stalls in Windows lately, possibly the result of 
Flash and Firefox not getting along.
The first plot suggests a multitasking related problem.

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