[time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals

jmfranke jmfranke at cox.net
Wed Sep 19 17:47:40 UTC 2012


See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator

BVA resonator (Boîtier à Vieillissement Amélioré, Enclosure with Improved 
Aging), developed in 1976; the parts that influence the vibrations are 
machined from a single crystal (which reduces the mounting stress), and the 
electrodes are deposited not on the resonator itself but on inner sides of 
two condenser discs made of adjacent slices of the quartz from the same bar, 
forming a three-layer sandwich with no stress between the electrodes and the 
vibrating element. The gap between the electrodes and the resonator act as 
two small series capacitors, making the crystal less sensitive to circuit 
influences.

John  WA4WDL

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From: "Ron Ward" <n6idlron at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:30 PM
To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" 
<time-nuts at febo.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals

> Hi:
> What does BVA stand for?
> What is a blue top?
> Are HP 10811 "Blue Stripe Replacement" Quarts Oscillators just junk?
> What was HP's Blue Stripe Replacement program about?
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Knox
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:38 AM
> To: Time-Nuts
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals
>
>
> Hi Bob;
> Quartz is of course and art so generally speaking the BVA is great very
> close in, but at 1Hz they do not have much if any better performance. And
> further out the Wenzel's noise floor is about 20dB below the BVA . Factor 
> in
> that the Blue Top cost(appr $6000) is about 1/4 of a BVA (appr$25000) and 
> it
> seems almost cheap. I response to an eariler question I think corning 
> makes
> most of HP's 10811 era and Wenzel Blanks. I wish I could find a couple 
> Blue
> Tops at a reasonable price. and while I am at it I wish I could also find 
> a
> Beach House in New Zealand for cheap.
>
> Thomas Knox
>
>
>
>> From: lists at rtty.us
>> To: time-nuts at febo.com
>> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:56:44 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> For a time standard crystal, the real question is "how much room do you
>> have?". If volume / power / cost is not a concern, there are a lot of 
>> ways
>> you could go. The market has moved away from the big old beasts mainly
>> because people simply don't have the room for them any more.
>>
>> That said, a BVA running on a 5th overtone at about 1 MHz in a 4" or so
>> glass bottle likely would do pretty well. I suspect you could get a batch
>> made for around $1M.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Knox
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: Time-Nuts
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals
>>
>>
>> Ron;
>> I think the Wenzel Blue Tops are very good.
>>
>> Thomas Knox
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: n6idlron at comcast.net
>> > To: time-nuts at febo.com
>> > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:31:25 -0700
>> > Subject: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals
>> >
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > Does anyone know who made the crystal for the HP-106 and / or Sulzer
>> > oscillators?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is Bliley Electric Company still in business? They use to sell a 5th
>> > overtone precision quartz crystal for "frequency standard" use.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Where could you find the ultimate crystal today for a frequency
> standard?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> >
>> >
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