[time-nuts] Why the fuss?

[J. Forster]

Comming soon to a voting booth near you.

YMMV,

-John

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> And don't get me started on "Smart Growth", the International Council for
> Local Environmental Initiatives and Agenda 21.
>
> All designed to move us into dense urban living conditions with fixed mass
> transit and odious rules as to what kind of light bulb we can use, what
> kind
> of toilet we can install, construction practices and materials, etc...
>
> A lot of people are decrying this as tinfoil hat bleating but if you
> actually read the proposals and observe places where they have been
> enacted
> (Portland, OR), the result is not what one would expect, quite the
> opposite
> because nobody wants to live in conditions like that.
>
> http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/individual/2012/05/all_hail_our_master
> mind_overlords_the_iclei.html
>
> When I moved to where I am now, the specific request to my realtor was
> that
> there be zero CC&Rs.  I am in unincorporated Whatcom County -- the City of
> Bellingham is a member of ICLEI and talking to local builders, getting a
> permit for anything besides the County's "smart growth" initiatives is
> like
> pulling teeth.
>
> Like John said, these get slipstreamed in with popular measures and not
> talked about in the press.
>
> Dave
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com
>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 18:17
>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>>
>> Absolutely!
>>
>> Often as not, a bunch of new rules and regulations are
>> "bundled" with some
>> popular measure. The popular measure gets the press, the rest of the
>> package gets ignored.
>>
>> That happens at all levels of government. Purposely so.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ===============
>>
>>
>> > HI
>> >
>> > 
. and if you believe that these sort of restrictions are
>> passed one at a
>> > time locally.. not so much. The "easy way" is for your
>> local government to
>> > simply adopt an "up to date" package of rules. Rarely do
>> any of those
>> > voting understand what in the package. Rarely does the vote
>> get anything
>> > more than passing notice in the local community.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> > On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you are under the impression living in an older, built
>> up area will
>> >> be
>> >> a defense against those with a Martha Stewart fetish, you
>> are wrong.
>> >>
>> >> -John
>> >>
>> >> ================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, that's what I love about the SF bay area- lots of old
>> >>> neighborhoods
>> >>> that didn't have all these silly restrictions in place
>> when they were
>> >>> built.  There are the "usual" CC&Rs, like I can raise
>> chickens, but
>> >>> not
>> >>> cows, but it doesn't mandate what three colors you can paint your
>> >>> house,
>> >>> or the window coverings you can have or how long you can
>> park your car
>> >>> in
>> >>> the driveway.  Yes, things can change, but at least it's
>> not in place
>> >>> in
>> >>> the beginning- and we can monitor implementation of any
>> changes, at
>> >>> least
>> >>> in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale (where we have neighborhood groups that
>> >>> monitor
>> >>> such things, specifically because we like the status quo).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm sure some or all of the newer developments do have silly
>> >>> restrictions,
>> >>> I just would never buy into one.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Dave
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
>> >>> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
>> >>> <time-nuts at febo.com>
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:47:15 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>> >>>
>> >>> Earth to Dave:
>> >>>
>> >>> Sometimes laws and regulations change years after you buy
>> a piece of
>> >>> property or do something perfectly legal.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nobody is safe whenever (Congress, Agency, State Legislature, Town
>> >>> Council, governing body, or whatever) is in session.
>> >>>
>> >>> YMMV,
>> >>>
>> >>> -John
>> >>>
>> >>> ===========
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> These are amoung other reasons why I will never buy a house in a
>> >>>> development or with a HOA.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Dave
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: "Bob Camp" <lists at rtty.us>
>> >>>> To: jfor at quikus.com, "Discussion of precise time and frequency
>> >>>> measurement" <time-nuts at febo.com>
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:36:23 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .... and indeed many of the "likely hiding places" are
>> also on the
>> >>>> list
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> things you are not supposed to do.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com
>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com]
>> >>>> On
>> >>>> Behalf Of J. Forster
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:20 PM
>> >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Vent pipes are not usually 20-30 feet tall.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> =============
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Which for all intents and purposes means "nothing that
>> looks like an
>> >>>>> antenna
>> >>>>> to John Q. Public". What if your GPS antenna looked
>> like a vent pipe?
>> >>>>> or
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> Bird House? It may be difficult to hide a decent HF
>> antenna, But, a
>> >>>>> 1.5
>> >>>>> GHz
>> >>>>> antenna can be virtually invisible.
>> >>>>> Dale NV8U
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Bob Camp
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:02 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Right here in PA for one. You essentially can not buy a
>> new house
>> >>>>> without
>> >>>>> there being various conditions written into the title.
>> One universal
>> >>>>> one
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> "no antennas". The only exception is for one 19" sat
>> dish for TV,
>> >>>>> since
>> >>>>> that's a federal mandate.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Bob
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com
>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com]
>> >>>>> On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of brent evers
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:57 AM
>> >>>>> To: jfor at quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency
>> >>>>> measurement
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Zoning, Legal?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Where?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Brent
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM, J. Forster
>> <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Because:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> LORAN-C is gone.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Not all can use GPS because of siting, horizon,
>> zoning, legal, and
>> >>>>>> other
>> >>>>>> issues. Not everyone can erect antenna towers.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There is nothing else, except perhaps WWV or CHU on HF.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -John
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ==================
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I cannot think of a time-nuts WWVB reference requirement
>> >>>>>>> that cannot be better satisfied with a GPSDO.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Will  NIST publish a public domain reference circuit?
>> >>>>>>> That would allay patent concerns.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
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