[time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

[Azelio Boriani]

Using two TBolts?

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:00 PM, iovane at inwind.it <iovane at inwind.it> wrote:
> I would add that one could run the experiment over a full year.
> Antonio I8IOV
>
> I wrote:
>>
>>Looking at fig. 4 at
>>http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0608/0608205v1.pdf
>>I still doubt that the De Witte results would be so simply dismissed.
>>The experiment started on early June and ended on late November, and the
>>temperature cycle over such a period is not a ramp, still having to cross
> the
>>warmest months before starting to drop.
>>The De Witte cable was buried, but how deep is not mentioned.
>>I would see the experiment repeated.
>>Antonio I8IOV
>>
>>tvb wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Steven,
>>>
>>>You can contact me off-line about this if you want more information.
>>>
>>>Being someone with plenty of cesium clocks I looked into his claims in the
>>late 90's. His cables and electronics were not at all temperature
> compensated.
>>It's a simple mistake we all make at one point or another in our time-nuts
>>career.
>>>
>>>Once you deal with tempco correctly no one has problems like he saw,
> whether
>>your clocks are as old as the one he used in 1991 or modern ones that are
> ten
>>to a thousand times more accurate.
>>>
>>>Note he ran his experiment for 178 days. If you run a ground temperature
>>experiment for a full year (or years) you get complete temperature cycles;
> if
>>you happen to pick only half a year, starting early summer as he did, you get
> a
>>slow ramp.
>>>
>>>When you combine diurnal changes (which he saw) with half-year ramps (which
>>he mis-interpreted) you get a solar-sidereal effect that looks extra-
>>terrestrial. Roland was a little too eager to prove aether exists and
> textbooks
>>were wrong. Unfortunately he died shortly before I could email him about his
>>methods and raw data. That was, what, 15 years ago.
>>>
>>>/tvb
>>>www.LeapSecond.com
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Steven Kluck" <skluck_98 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: "Discussion precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts at febo.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM
>>>Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment
>>>
>>>
>>>I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal
>>reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest.
>>>
>>>If
>>> I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to
>>>try Roland de Witte's experiment. Simple and fascinating! Position one
>>> clock about 1500 meters to the east of the other, set up a long
>>>(temperature controlled) coax cable between them, and compare phase from
>>> the 10MHz outputs as the earth turns. The results were enough to make
>>>de Witte a fairly unpopular gentleman until his death. --Steven Kluck
>>>
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