[time-nuts] How far can I push a crystal?
Bob Camp
lists at rtty.us
Fri Jan 18 16:59:58 UTC 2013
Hi
If you are going to multiply this up to microwaves, you may have some issues
with phase noise....
Bob
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From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Breya
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:33 AM
To: time-nuts at febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How far can I push a crystal?
Thanks all, for the feedback on this issue. In summary, I got these
points out of the discussion on crystals:
1. The correct terminology is "pulling" the frequency.
2. Getting beyond about a few hundred ppm from the nominal frequency
ranges from very difficult to pointless.
3. It's easier to pull down than up.
It looks like it would not be worth fooling around with crystals, so
I'll just use the ceramic resonators. By the way, I just tonight managed
to reach the correct geological layer of stuff out in the garage, and
found the missing 10 MHz resonators, and a whole tray of other parts
that were in reserve for completing this project from a couple of years ago.
For the curious: The 10.0594444... MHz is made by a PLL using the
59.4444... kHz reference, which is 10.7 MHz divided by 180. The 10.7 MHz
is a from another VCXO (which can use a standard crystal, ceramic
resonator, or ceramic IF filter - easy) that's phase locked to a 10 or 1
MHz reference, using two fixed dividers. The 10.0594444... MHz is used
as the reference for a phase locked microwave brick oscillator, using
n=120, to make 1207.1333... MHz, which is exactly one-third of 3621.4
MHz, the low-band upconversion IF of the HP8566B spectrum analyzer. The
1207.1333... MHz is harmonically mixed (m=3) with the first LO of the SA
to produce the tracking signal centered in the passband of the SA. All
of this is built into the modified carcass of an HP8443A tracking
generator, originally built for older SA models. Using the new stuff,
plus parts of the 8443A, the net result is a 50 kHz to 250 MHz tracking
generator, with power up to +10 dBm, leveled within about 1 dB, and with
130 dB step attenuator range - very nice for low RF and baseband work.
The 10.0594444... MHz is only one of many frequencies that could be
multiplied by various n-values to give the same result, but it was
chosen because it was very close to a standard frequency available in
ceramic resonators, high enough that n didn't need to be too large, and
it could be synthesized with a very simple PLL system.
I had all of this built and running, but I had made the fatal
engineering mistake of putting way too much stuff in too small a space.
Space was tight, so I squeezed the entire LF control system and
synthesizers into one small can, and necessarily optimized for minimum
IC package count. Then I found that there was too much crosstalk between
virtually all the signals in the box, so there was too much phase noise
to work at 300 Hz and less IFBW. The problems were irreversible -
sharing IC packages for multiple signal processing was an especially bad
move. After many hours of rearranging signal paths, adding shielding and
grounds, and changing topologies, I concluded that I had to rebuild it
the right way. So here I am. The two main frequencies will be generated
in separate boxes, and no ICs will contain multiple signals that aren't
being processed together.
This time I'll get it right, and finally wrap it up.
Ed
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