[time-nuts] Releasing sources (can we stop now?)

[Had]

I totally agree with Said.
Please take this stuff somewhere else and let us get back REAL Time-Nut
stuff.


Had
K7MLR

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Behalf Of Said Jackson
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:10
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (can we stop now?)

Not only has this thread been completely off topic from this list, but the
level of discourse has turned abysmal, and now we are even posting insults.

I have not seen that kind of tone in more than 7 years on this list.

Please discuss this between yourselves, and spare the rest of us.

Said



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On Mar 31, 2013, at 8:32, Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth at gmail.com> wrote:

> All u guys that post code to push up your little ego and then don't 
> help when it sucks need to see a shrink.
> 
> Don't want emails, don't post. Keep your bad code in the folder were 
> it belongs.
> 
> There are enough who think they know.
> 
> And finally: The code in question is without question buggy.
> 
> BTW: I did build Brooks' project and had to send him two emails. One 
> with a question and the other a thank you.
> 
> Have a nice day
> Norm n3ykf
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jim Lux <jimlux at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/30/13 2:58 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> What a bunch of hooey. Another so called expert wasted hours of my 
>>> time because he can't be bothered to either note that code is buggy 
>>> or just can't be bothered..
>>> If you don't want to release it, then don't. If you do and it's a 
>>> POS, Expect emails.
>> 
>> Let's talk about that "wasted hours"..
>> 
>> You had a need.  You had two alternatives:
>> 1) write the needed code yourself
>> 2) use something someone else has written.
>> 
>> Presumably, you figured that #1 has large cost (if it were trivial, 
>> you wouldn't even start considering #2)..
>> 
>> The value of satisfying the need is Value(#1)
>> 
>> 
>> So you make a *speculative investment* in trying #2.  It pays off and 
>> you are ahead of the overall game by Cost(#1)-Cost(#2).  You've just 
>> got a substantial return on your small investment (you spent Cost(#2) 
>> and you got
>> Value(#1) in return)  If it doesn't pay off and you've invested 
>> Cost(#2) without any return.
>> 
>> This is not "wasted".. this is "a speculative investment that didn't 
>> pay off".
>> 
>> A smart investor might look at the quality of documentation, or at 
>> the source code, or look for support groups.  Such things sometimes 
>> exist and make the probability of usefulness go up (In modern 
>> terms,the "Software Reuse Readiness Level" is higher).
>> 
>> Sure, sometimes you invest blind, and find that the program doesn't 
>> work well, etc., but that's not wasted.  You've basically paid for
information.
>> 
>> 
>> Finally, what is a POS for you may not be a POS for other people.  A 
>> lot of freely released software was written to satisfy a tiny niche 
>> need, with NO intention that it be used for anything else.  If you 
>> want to use it as a starting point, fine, but don't come whining when 
>> it doesn't happen to do what YOU need.
>> 
>> This is especially true of software written to provide an interface 
>> to a piece of test gear or equipment, for which the writer has 
>> exactly one instance.  All they care about is that they can get their 
>> counter, timer, antenna tuner, or whatever to work.  They have 
>> neither the time, money, nor inclination, to make the software work 
>> for ANY model of that piece of test equipment, nor to accommodate all the
manufacturing variations.
>> 
>> Or maybe someone wrote software to extract data from a published 
>> source for some need, and then the published source changes its 
>> format.  The extraction software is now broken, but it met the 
>> original need, it might provide a framework for a future user to modify.
>> 
>> I don't have a problem with this.
>> 
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