[time-nuts] Anyone Know What The Models Were In This NIST Paper?

[Magnus Danielson]

Hi,

They have learned the hard way that they can't do that easily. They can,
if they add the necessary "mentioning of vendor X and their product Y
does in no way means an endorsement". I've seen presentations starting
with a "non-endorsement statement" so that they can then say "Oh, this
is the boxes we have chosen to use", which tends to just render spread
of information and sharing of experience amongst the users.

I expect them (NIST and other publicly funded institutions) to act like
this. It is a bit annoying when you just want to know what they where
using, but it's understandable. It is even more understandable as they
start to list miss-features of device A, B and C, but not device D.

It's a balance to share information which can be very useful, but not
cause people to be upset by being left out or feeling discredited. When
working on the commercial side of things, I try to respect this
restriction and assume it's usage, while trying to find a suitable
compromise at times. The same goes when writing standards.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 10/30/2013 12:12 PM, Bob Camp wrote:
> Hi
>
> I believe that Jim is more or less right. There seems to be an agreement not to name names. I’m sure it’s partly to keep everybody happy when the paper is presented. It also does relate to some sort of rules and regs.
>
> Bob
>
> On Oct 30, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Tom Knox <actast at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John the problem is the NIST does not endorse one brand vs another. They go to great lengths to stay neutral. But if knowledge of the products used sheds light on the research it is not a usually a problem.  I would say an educated guess the 6 and 8 channel receivers were oncores, and the rubidium oscillators were LPRO's.
>>
>> Thomas Knox
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: john at westmorelandengineering.com
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:06:25 -0700
>>> To: time-nuts at febo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Anyone Know What The Models Were In This NIST Paper?
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Yes - well, it is a little dated - so I would think the chance for a
>>> competitive edge would have expired.  Maybe not for models C and D but I
>>> would certainly think so for Models A & B.
>>>
>>> There must be some sort of technical statute of limitations, correct?  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Westmoreland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> That’s always one of those “we can only tell you if you work for the US
>>>> government” sort of things. If anybody knows it’s one of those “you better
>>>> not tell” things.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:40 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. <
>>>> john at westmorelandengineering.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know what Models A, B, C, and D were in this paper?  Or maybe
>>>>> had a good idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=50196
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> John Westmoreland
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