[time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO
EWKehren at aol.com
EWKehren at aol.com
Sun Apr 27 01:16:08 UTC 2014
The thunderbolt is one of the best timing devices but not for frequency, if
you want high resolution. Over time it is ok but high resolution short
gate times and you see the frequency changes. They use the OCXO to correct for
timing error and if you have a Tracor 527E you can see it. Also how else
do you think they control the 1 pps.
Bert Kehren
In a message dated 4/26/2014 1:52:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
csteinmetz at yandex.com writes:
Magnus wrote:
>The PRS-10 have a nice little trick in it, it stores the previous
>OCXO steering value, so on power-up it sets the OCXO to this
The PRS-10 has quite a number of nice tricks, in addition to
particularly good engineering and high-quality construction of the
basic physics package and support circuitry. The OP (and others)
should not expect the same level of performance from $30-$100 ebay
Rubidiums (LPRO, FRS, FE-56xx, etc., etc.).
Very good to excellent OCXOs are available readily for $5 to
$50. IMO, those should be the standard of comparison for any
aspiring time nut. I'm not aware of any economy Rubidium that has
close-in phase noise or low-to-medium-tau AVAR nearly as good as one
of these very good OCXOs. As mentioned by others, some Ru may do
better than a TCXO close in and at low tau. But so what? The TCXO
should not be a time nut's standard of comparison as far as a lab
standard is concerned.
One quickly concludes that a good GPSDO, which includes a good OCXO,
is the optimal solution for most time nuts. The OCXO has excellent
stability with respect to close-in phase noise and low-to-medium-tau
AVAR, and is disciplined by the GPS for excellent stability at longer
tau. Probably the best turn-key solution is a Trimble Thunderbolt
(although prices have risen in the last few years, so they are not
the bargain they once were). Other, less expensive Trimble units
that are also supported by the Lady Heather monitoring program are
available on ebay, and are probably the best bet today for
bargain-hunters. While I applaud the recent efforts to build simple
DIY GPSDOs using inexpensive microcontrollers, from what I have seen
so far most of them do not yet have the programming sophistication,
particularly in the PLL loop filter and the houskeeping functions, to
rival a good off-the-shelf GPSDO from a quality manufacturer.
Final thought for specifying/designing/buying a GPSDO for time nuts
purposes: Do not settle for a low-quality crystal oscillator (and
especially not a TCXO). You will never achieve best performance at
tau < about 100 seconds that way. Insist on a "10811-quality" OCXO
(one of the many nice things about the Thunderbolt is that it has a
very good OCXO).
Best regards,
Charles
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