[time-nuts] New GPSDO on EBAY From China

Tue Dec 30 18:27:16 UTC 2014

Thanks for the discussion on this GPSDO. 
I researched the archives on this going back a few months but didn't find anything. 
Although I consider myself a newby or novice Time-Nut I do have three other GPSDO's I've had a Z3801 running for more than 10 years. 
My interest in the unit in question lies in the need for a light weight unit I can use as a stable accurate source for my 24 GHz transverter that I use for my rover and contesting efforts. I need something light weight as well as accurate and stable with low phase noise and needs to be able to be located on or close to a portable tripod. I did order one of James Millers units to fulfill these needs. I just thought this may be a much less expensive alternative.
Thanks again for the discussion. 
Happy New Year to all! 

Dave - W6TE> From: kb8tq at n1k.org
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:33:06 -0500
> To: time-nuts at febo.com
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New GPSDO on EBAY From China
> 
> Hi
> 
> > On Dec 29, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Li Ang <lllaaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi
> > One of my friend had one. Here is the test result from him.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ok, that data is actually more encouraging than the data on the selling site. He ran it long enough to get past the hump in the ADEV curve at 4,000 seconds. The blue trace shows that the test setup *can* resolve the data properly. 
> 
> So now the question becomes - what is going on with the filter software in the BG7TBL unit? It’s obviously done differently than the HP filter software. There are a number of people (not me) on the list that have expressed interest in digging into GPSDO firmware.
> 
> Bob
> 
> > 
> > Bob Camp <kb8tq at n1k.org>于2014年12月29日星期一写道：
> >> Hi
> >> 
> >> Ok, well that’s a move forward on this GPSDO. There is a *lot* more data
> > on that listing than there was a month ago.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for digging it up  and posting the link.
> >> 
> >> If you look at the ADEV at 1 second, it’s running at 2.67 x10^-11. That’s
> > all coming from the Erratum Rb that they are using as a reference. At 100
> > seconds the Rb should be around 2.67 x10^-12 and the MV-89 should be about
> > < 2x10^-11. They combine as the square root, so that would be 3.3 ppt or
> > less. The unit is running at 4.8 ppt so the filter is having some impact at
> > that point.
> >> 
> >> Out around 5,000 seconds the unit has a major hump. The Nortel GPSTM has
> > a similar hump, but much closer in. It’s performance at 5K seconds is much
> > better. The Lucent KS boxes beat this part across the entire range. That
> > makes some assumptions, since there is no good ADEV data inside 100 seconds
> > on the plot.
> >> 
> >> The final question about the plot would be - what happens at longer tau?
> > The run was stopped before it really got past the peak in the filter. It
> > would be nice to see some data that at least gets back down to < 1 ppt at
> > the longer tau’s. Without that data it’s unclear how well the whole system
> > is doing. That’s not to say it’s not doing well. It could be doing a great
> > job, there’s just no way to know from the data.
> >> 
> >> ――――
> >> 
> >> My guess is that this is very much like your counter project, just a bit
> > further along. They have a nice looking unit, but are still trying to
> > figure out the bugs and finish up the software …
> >> 
> >> Bob
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 28, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Li Ang <lllaaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi
> >>>  This unit is done by BG7TBL. In his store on taobao.com, there is a
> > adev
> >>> chart. Please refrer to this link
> >>> 
> > http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-1278071728.49.XHJlQL&id=42336500072
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 2014-12-29 1:56 GMT+08:00 Dan Rae <danrae at verizon.net>:
> >>> 
> >>>> On 12/28/2014 7:25 AM, David Smith wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hello Friends,
> >>>>> I found this new inexpensive GPSDO on ebay listed from a seller from
> >>>>> China:
> >>>>> 
> >>>> Dave, these have been discussed in the past at some length on this list.
> >>>> I would point out that they use a re-cycled Morion OCXO.  I have had
> > two of
> >>>> these ovens from China; one worked fine, the other has a very high
> > level of
> >>>> spurious outputs.  I would be wary of using these in anything without
> > first
> >>>> testing them thoroughly.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Dan
> >>>> 
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