[time-nuts] Measuring 1 PPS with an HP 5335A

Bill Dailey docdailey at gmail.com
Sun Feb 16 20:35:49 EST 2014


Disregard that.  Meant for someone else.  I apologize.

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> On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Bill Dailey <docdailey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No idea.  That's what's sad.  They all blend together.
> 
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>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 6:17 PM, "Jimmy D. Burrell" <jimmydburr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bingo! It's working now!! Thanks to everyone on the thread.
>> 
>> Paul, I have to give chops to Bob on this one, even though my experience is the same as yours with respect to the preset triggers. Actually, your comments/question about the "trigger lights flashing" in concert with the 1PPS signal got me looking/thinking and no, they weren't. BTW, my 0.000001 number was meant to be Hz but I left off the units.
>> 
>> Both Bobs (Camp and Albert) were pointing me at the 'input'. So, I drug out the HP5335A manual and re-read about all 4 trigger levels. Auto-adjustable mode allows adjusting the trigger according to the amplitude of the input signal... a sort of percentage trigger mode, i.e. turn the trigger control clockwise to 3/4 scale and you're triggering at 75% of the signal's amplitude.
>> 
>> The above trigger changes combined with reconfiguring for 50ohms input signal did the trick. I'm now seeing readings like 0.999 999 983 +0.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Jim...
>> N5SPE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> If you have a 50/50 duty cycle 1 pps, it’s going to work with a lot of settings. With a narrow (say 10us wide) pulse, most of the counters have auto trigger issues. If it’s already known to be reading nutty, trigger is a good place to start looking.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Paul <tic-toc at bodosom.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On all these counters, you need to switch to DC input for 1 pps signals.
>>>>> You also need to manualy set the trigger level to something like +1.5V.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I can't believe I'm disagreeing with Bob Camp but this is not my
>>>> experience.  99.9% of the time preset trigger works fine and I think you
>>>> should start with that.  AC coupling almost always works and is sometimes
>>>> required (with the Rb I think).
>>>> 
>>>> I have a 5335A (w/ opt 010+040) and have measured 1PPS on my PRS-10, Fury,
>>>> Firefly and random GPS parts.  If the trigger light is not flashing at 1 Hz
>>>> the only thing I've ever had to do is toggle AC coupling or enable 1PPS
>>>> output on the device (or plug it in).  Sometimes increasing the gate time
>>>> tidies up the display.
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