[time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier - seeking comments and suggestions?

Pete Lancashire pete at petelancashire.com
Fri Dec 18 11:32:03 EST 2015


When I used a Lead acid battery as a low noise and isolated power source I
raided the kitchen. Put the batter inside
a polyethylene container they type with a 'snap tight' lid. Then found in
my junk a nylon barb to threaded fitting and
some Tygon tubing to create an external vent. In another junk box a sealed
MS socket and its mating plug.

It solved three things venting to where it didn't matter, sealed becoming
not sealed and puking and solving
shorting from touching things.





On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Chuck Harris <cfharris at erols.com> wrote:

> One of my other hats involves advising electronics scrap and
> recycling companies, and the repair of all manner of electronics
> equipment.
>
> In all of the equipment I have rummaged through I can state the
> following without reservation:
>
> I have never seen any sign of damage caused by properly float charged
> sealed lead acid batteries.
>
> I have seen lots of serious damage caused by trickle charged nicads.
>
> I have seen some very serious damage caused by lithium iodide pacemaker
> cells at end-of-life.
>
> I have seen lots of damage caused by carbon-zinc, and alkaline cells.
>
> Lithium ion cells behave like electrolytic capacitors.  They want to
> have their initial inrush current limited to about 1C, and they must
> have their final charge voltage limited to 4.2V.  They will tolerate
> being floated at 4.2V for quite a while, but that will ultimately lead
> to their capacity being compromised.
>
> A simple backup charger for a LiIon cell would be a constant voltage,
> current roll back supply that is controlled by a timer that charges
> the cell every time power is restored, and several times a year if
> power doesn't fail.
>
> Discharge must be abruptly stopped when the cell voltage drops below
> around 2V... the exact value varies by the manufacturer.
>
> -Chuck Harris
>
>
> Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote:
>
>> On 17 Dec 2015 21:00, "Anders Wallin" <anders.e.e.wallin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> First prototype assembled today, tested with 12 VDC SMPS wall-wart supply
>>> and with 12 V lead-acid battery.
>>>
>>
>> Anders
>>>
>>
>> Is the lead acid battery supposed to be there so the unit continues to
>> function if power is removed?
>>
>> If do, I believe that the choice of a lead acid battery is a poor one.  I
>> believe that even the sealed ones release very small amounts of sulphuric
>> acid and when contained in equipment the acid results in damage in the
>> long-term. I believe that people have reported damage to oscillators like
>> the HP 10811A even on this list.
>>
>> I believe NiCd would be a better choice.  That said I somewhere read they
>> were banned in Europe but that might have been for general consumer use,
>> as
>> I note that they are still shipped in some products - e.g. sone emergency
>> lights I bought in the UK from Farnell,  although the lights were made in
>> China. One can certainly still buy NiCd cells in Europe.
>>
>> I don't know if there is any simple way of slowly charging Lithium Metal
>> Hydride batteries. Commercial chargers from reputable manufacturers have
>> temperature sensors, voltage sensors and I assume a microprocessor to
>> determine how to charge them and when to stop charging.  You don't need to
>> fast-charge a distribution amplifier,  but I don't know if there's any
>> relatively simple way of charging them.
>>
>> Dave.
>>
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