[time-nuts] US export regulations for TICs

Bob Camp kb8tq at n1k.org
Tue Jul 7 21:56:48 UTC 2015


Hi

….. and that’s just the quick brief summary.

If you are buying the product from the original manufacturer, the simple
thing to do is to ask them if a certificate is required. That’s not definitive,
but it’s probably a good start. If they are making controlled items and are
not aware of it, that’s pretty unusual. 

Bob

> On Jul 7, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Jim Lux <jimlux at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> On 7/7/15 6:28 AM, Attila Kinali wrote:
>> Moin,
>> 
>> As we need a need a proper TIC here to do our research, we are
>> going to buy one from ebay form a seller in the US and let a friend
>> who is in the US at the approriate time and can pick it up to bring
>> it back in the plane.
>> 
>> Now the big question is, are there any export regulations regarding
>> such equipment and if yes, where do I find it? (my search didnt show
>> up anything approriate). Yes I know it's a boat anchor and that takeing
>> it in a plane is kind of iffy, but it's better than shipping it.
>> 
> 
> Ah, the complexities of Export Controls, with which I deal every other day.
> 
> I'll summarize a bit here, for the benefit of other list members who might contemplate this.  If it's straying too far off the list topics, let me know...
> 
> Ebay sellers in general don't know anything about export controls, other than some just don't sell to foreigners (which they think neatly solves that problem it doesn't).
> 
> In export control, there are US Persons and non-US persons.  The former are US Citizens and legal permanent residents (green card holders), who are NOT representatives of a foreign entity.  You can be a US citizen, but work for, say, Thales-Alenia Space Italia, and be a non-US person.
> 
> If you are transferring export controlled goods (or information!) to a non-US person, you *may* need an export license, depending on what the goods are.  Where the transfer takes place is immaterial (so if your friend going to do the pickup isn't a US person, the export would occur when he or she put their hands on the goods).
> 
> Now to whether you need a license.  There are two kinds of export controls in the US: US Munitions List (ITAR), run by the department of state, and Commerce Control Regulations (CCR) run by the Department of Commerce.
> 
> USML stuff almost always needs a license, a non-trivial process requiring, typically, an "end user certificate" describing who the ultimate recipient is (e.g. you can't say "I'm buying it for myself", when, really, you're transferring that 17-axis milling machine to a "designated country")
> 
> You can easily google the USML (the version at fas.org is a bit out of date): it's fairly straightforward, and MOST of the stuff will say "specially designed for military purposes", so a piece of test equipment that has multiple uses probably won't be controlled, unless it's designed to be bolted into a fighter or ship or carried by an infantry soldier.
> 
> There are some "no conceiveable dual use" things on the USML: GPS receivers that work at more than some high altitude or at Mach 5 are a nice example.
> 
> For USML/ITAR stuff ALL exports need a license.
> 
> Then, there's the EAR/Commerce rules.  For these, which are much broader and cover more commodities and things, there's a "which country is it going to" distinction.  Shipping fast CPUs to the UK, no problem; Shipping to North Korea, can't do it.
> 
> 
> USML is here https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar.html
> 
> I would suggest looking at Category 11 (Military Electronics)
> for which there was a recent amendment:
> https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2014/79FR37536.pdf
> 
> 
> the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) are here
> https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/regulations/export-administration-regulations-ear
> 
> Chapter 3 might be of interest. It has rules on RF amplifiers, arbitrary waveform generator, signal analyzers, etc.  I've never looked for counters or TICs.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 				Attila Kinali
>> 
> 
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