[time-nuts] Divider circuit for Rubidium Standard
Charles Steinmetz
csteinmetz at yandex.com
Sat May 23 04:37:43 UTC 2015
Bob wrote:
>The simple answer is that a biased fast CMOS gate will do a better job
>ADEV wise than your signal sources will.
Maybe or maybe not, at tau ~1 second. Trouble is, as tau gets
larger, the gate performs *worse*. The switching threshold of all
MOSFET logic devices varies all over the place with temperature and
supply voltage as well as random drift. At tau >10 or 100 seconds,
these effects become more and more pronounced and xDEV gets worse,
even if you take pains to keep the circuitry out of drafts. Gates
are not a good way to square sine waves if you care about stability
at longer tau.
Most of what has been said against comparators on this thread are
indictments of mistakes made in applying them, NOT deficiencies of
comparators per se. I don't have the time nor energy to go into it
in any depth right now, but: Properly applied, comparators can work
better than pretty much anything else when the job is squaring a 1 to
100 MHz sine wave.
A few "Do's" and "Do not's":
Do use a comparator with split supplies for the input section, so you
can use actual ground as the reference voltage. Do not use inputs
biased to mid-supply. Most especially, do not use separate voltage
dividers to bias the two inputs, because the divider noise is
uncorrelated and adds. If you must use inputs biased to mid-supply,
use one good, low-noise voltage reference (LM329 or LM399) to bias
both inputs so the bias noise is low and is common-mode (make sure to
keep the time constants equal at the two inputs). But just don't use
inputs biased to mid-supply in the first place.
Do use a comparator with properly-designed internal hysteresis of a
few mV (e.g., LT1719). Do use a good, modern comparator (again,
e.g., LT1719) that was designed since chip-level thermal flow
analysis became standard practice, to avoid the mysterious drift,
instabilities, and metastabilities that comparators from the bad old
days (mid-'90s and earlier) were famous for.
Do not rely on a comparator to work with inputs from mV to 10s of
volts. You wouldn't expect that with a logic gate, why in the world
would you expect it with a comparator? Adjust the input level with
amplifiers or attenuators to the optimum value for the comparator you
are using at the frequency you are operating.
A 5 or 10Vp-p sine wave at 10MHz slews fast enough at zero-cross not
to need bandwidth-limited clipping amplifiers (a la Dick and
Collins). Those techniques were designed for squaring
audio-frequency sine waves, such as the mixer output(s) of a single-
or double-mixer system. If you feel the need, you can increase the
zero-crossing slope of the input signal by starting with a larger
input signal than is optimum for the comparator in use and using
diode clamps to limit the peak amplitude.
There are many other best practices, but the ones above are enough to
avoid the major application mistakes and have a reasonable chance of
designing something that works to a high standard.
Best regards,
Charles
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