[time-nuts] ublox NEO-M8T improved by insulated chamber?

[jimlux]

On 11/7/17 1:44 PM, MLewis wrote:
> Yo Gary!
> 
> With a strictly SSE skyview, I still regularly get signals from sats to 
> my NW. When they're at the right elevation and heading, their signals 
> pass over me and reflect back at me from a tall building. When running 
> my M8T with the position unlocked, and those NW sats are getting a 
> reflection and reporting in, (although the reflecting building is 
> further away to the SE) my GPS position drifts up to 300' to my south (S 
> of SSE). (reported position goes for a walk, staggering across the 
> parking lot, wanders through a park with an occasional loop, across a 
> road, then sits down for a while, before wandering back)
> 
> Is it reasonable to use the 9" ~= 1 ns for:
> running with a fixed & correct survey position, and NW sats reflecting a 
> signal to me, that 300' drift would equate to a (300' x 12") /  9" = 
> 400, for a ballpark 400 ns error?
> 

No.. in free space it's about a foot per nanosecond.. 9" is 0.75 
velocity factor, reasonable for coax, for instance, depending on the 
dielectric.



> Thanks,
> 
> Michael
> 
> On 07/11/2017 3:40 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote:
>> Yo Lars!
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 20:32:19 +0000
>> Lars Walenius <lars.walenius at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Another question: If You have an error in the surveyed position of
>>> say 3meters and you receive all of the available satellites in all
>>> directions how much will this really affect your timing?
>> I'll oversimply a bit by repeating Adm. Grace Hoppers famous giveaway.
>> When asked, she handed out 9 inch long peieces of wire, and said: that
>> is a nanaosecond.
>>
>> 3m is about 118.11 inches is about 13 ns.  So worst case, skipping the
>> 3D math, yoy get about +/13 ns.
>>
>> Which is small compared to the published GPS time resolution 
>> (IS_GPS_200H,
>> page 54) of 90 ns.
>>
>> RGDS
>> GARY
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
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