[time-nuts] HP Stories: Cesium Standards on Subs and Sperry

djl djl at montana.com
Sun Feb 24 20:37:25 UTC 2019


Love milspec stories!   Always reminds me of some of my favorite quotes:

  “Mechanical rules are never a substitute for clarity of thought.” -- 
Brian Kernighan
". . .  rules are a substitute for thought . . ." -- Robert Gunning
  "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds . . ." --  R.W. 
Emerson

Don

On 2019-02-24 06:37, Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems) wrote:
> While HP wasn't a direct defense contractor, we did sell a lot of test
> equipment to defense contractors.    The big American submarines had a
> Cesium Standard or two as part of their instrumentation systems.    I
> know little about the application, but heard it was part of the
> communication and/or navigation systems.    Maybe some of you have
> experience with this, and can add to the story.
> 
> None the less, Sperry corporation was a sub-contractor into the
> greater DOD eco-system, and integrated the 5061A into some larger
> system they sold to the submarine builders.    Sperry was a "real"
> defense contractor, and had to live by all the DOD rules.    There
> were a number of defense contractors in Silicon Valley, with Lockheed
> Missiles and Space Company being perhaps the largest employer in the
> area.   Both my father, and my wife's father were engineers at LSMC
> for their careers.   We used to joke at my High School that
> "everyone's dad worked for Lockheed."    Thus, DOD companies were not
> a foreign concept to me.   But they way the DOD procurement process
> worked was very unlike how HP worked and interfaced with our
> commercial customers.
> 
> Sperry wanted to turn HP into defense supplier when they purchased
> 5061A's from us.   First, they had their special "Sperry Blue" paint
> job.   Our sheet metal and paint shops had to custom build the
> cosmetic parts for Sperry in a lovely baby blue color.    Next, they
> wanted to make sure what was purchased was exactly what was specified.
>  EXACTLY.   The technique to enforce this was to document and inspect
> everything.    A special Sperry material list was created, with every
> resistor, screw and wire listed.   HP part numbers, approved
> suppliers, and supplier part numbers, for everything.   It turns out
> there are a lot of components in a 5061A.     Sperry would then insist
> that HP segregate all the components that were going into their sacred
> 5061As, and have our incoming quality department inspect every single
> tiny part, to ensure it was the correct component, coming from proper
> suppliers.   The attention to detail was both impressive and
> maddening.    This was way outside our normal
>  manufacturing processes, and a huge hassle.
> 
> The representatives from Sperry were from a different planet than HP
> people.    This part of Sperry had it's headquarters in the NYC area,
> and the lead representative was like a movie character from a God
> Father movie.   Short, plump, arrogant, Italian, in charge.  He was
> THE MAN, and expected to be treated as such.  He was cordial on the
> surface, but was unmovable when trying to negotiate what we though
> would be a sensible compromise of some kind.     To him, change, any
> change, was bad.    Because if anything ever happened, for the rest of
> human history, that could be traced back to a change he allowed, he
> would be held accountable.    He wanted to be held accountable for
> buying 8  Cesium Standards, not for adding risk to that purchase.
> He had a young assistant to grind through all the details.   This guy
> was about 30, and knew his role in the game.   There were procurement
> rules his company must follow, and his job was to make sure every
> detail got done.  EVERY DETAIL.    He br
>  ought exactly zero judgment or critical thinking to the process.
> 
> Mr. Mafia man told a story about why not changing things was so
> important.  As I recall, Sperry made some kind of targeting system for
> artillery, probably dating back to WWII, and a vendor had upgraded the
> insulation on some wiring from a fabric weave to more modern extruded
> plastic insulation.    For some reason this led to a failure.  (Likely
> heat related).   This was used as indisputable proof that even the
> most innocent looking changes can cause a problem, problems are the
> enemy, and change was it's root cause.
> 
> And then HP invented the 5061B, and changed a bunch of stuff from the
> 5061A.   Sperry had a contract that required another batch of HP
> Cesium Standards, and  wanted nothing to do with the 5061B.   They had
> made several previous purchases of 5061As, and their overall system
> had not changed, and they didn't want the Cesium Standard to Change
> either.    Since I was the 5061B guy, and young and expendable and
> ignorant (never had worked with Sperry before), I was assigned the
> task of getting Sperry happy with the 5061B.    I remember Jeanie
> Young, an energetic women from our marketing department being the lead
> contact with Sperry on business stuff (fuss with contracts, and be
> responsible for the wine-and-dine aspects), as I did the
> "engineering".
> 
> I think our basic position is that not only we don't make the 5061A
> any more, we COULD NOT make a 5061A.   Either take the 5061B, or
> nothing.   While the 5061B wasn't exactly the 5061A, nothing else
> available in the world was even close.   They were stuck with us and
> the hated 5061B and all its changes.    One of the even more annoying
> aspects of the 5061B is that we had gone thorough many of the systems,
> and upgraded older "Code 3 and 4" parts to "Code 1 and 2" parts.
> (Recall the past story about HP preferred part process.)   So there
> were dozens of places where there were part number changes.   It was
> like the 5061B had small pox in full bloom.    I have faint memories
> of Sperry trying to turn the 5061B back into a 5061A, one reverted
> changed resistor at a time.   But it could not have been that bad,
> because we only had to deal with them for a month or so.
> 
> Sperry had no choice but to reset to the 5061B, and suck up the risk.
> They were not happy about this.   Their solution was to document the
> snot out of the 5061B, and make extra sure that the abomination we
> were selling them in place of perfect 5061A was made exactly to spec.
>  Mr. Detail Man had point on this, and nothing escaped his attention.
>  For us free-wheeling HP guys, this was torture.    I remember working
> with Bob Ponzini, an experienced quality manager who had gotten sucked
> into the Sperry experience.   He was about 20 years my senior and a
> really great guy.    We were grinding through some inane detail that
> Sperry had insisted on, and collapsed into hysterical giggle fit.
> We had been overwhelmed by the culture shock of working with Sperry.
> 
> But looking back, it wasn't that bad.  Just shut up, work through the
> details, and get it done.    We used to complain that HP never made
> any money on these contracts, because of all the overhead Sperry
> consumed.    Now possessing a better understanding of fixed vs.
> variable costs in real businesses, the Sperry contracts were good
> money.   Yeah, they were a hassle, but they were also incremental
> revenue, which HPs Santa Clara Division desperately needed.    As for
> the overhead, well, we didn't hire any more people, or pay anyone any
> overtime.   We just absorbed it.    So whatever extra we charged
> Sperry was in reality pure profit, because frankly, we didn't have
> anything else to do.   We had managed to sell Sperry some of our fixed
> cost overhead, of which we had an abundant supply.
> 
> And while HP Santa Clara had its issues, I also realized that I had an
> awesome job compared to what Mr. Detail had to do every day.
> Sometimes you just need a fresh perspective to appreciate what you
> have.
> 
> Have a nice weekend,
> 
> Hugh Rice
> 
> 
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