[time-nuts] GPS 1PPS, phase lock vs frequency lock, design

[Wes]

Gerhard I sent this privately but it bounced,

I am very interested in your board. Will you have them available for purchase?

I have an MV89 I would like to power up and use.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/25/2019 8:14 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Am 25.05.19 um 02:51 schrieb life speed via time-nuts:

> Hi all, it's been a while since I visited.  I am venturing into an unfamiliar 
> area from my usual low phase noise PLL, OCXO and microwave synthesizer design 
> endeavors.
> I recall there are some knowledgeable, well, time nuts on this list and hope 
> you'll indulge some questions and maybe direct me to some appropriate white 
> papers and share insights.
> I want to discipline a 10 MHz OCXO with 1PPS from GPS. Obviously not an 
> unusual application, but I need to understand the methodology as I will not be 
> buying a module but rather implementing the design with an FPGA, off-the-shelf 
> GPS chip and a high-quality 10MHz DOCXO.
> One of the first questions I have:  is it possible to implement phase-lock 
> with a narrow digital PLL and DSP integrator/filter in the FPGA?  I suspect 
> some 1PPS disiplined OCXO implementations are merely controlled to the same 
> frequency, but not necessarily the same phase, depending on the details of the 
> implementation.
> I need the output of two of these units I design to have to be phase coherent 
> relative to each other.  Your knowledge, experience and scholarly references 
> are welcome.
> Thanks,
> Lifespeed

Hi,

I have a new release of my OCXO support board on the backburner.

it will provide

-a home for HP10811A, MTI-260, Morion MV89, a 100 MHz SC cut oven (Digikey 
XC2265-ND) and some others.

- Locking on incoming 10 MHz,

- Locking on incoming 1pps

- free running adjusted from 10 turn pot

- generation of 1pps from onboard oscillator

- frequency doubler 5 to 10 MHz (or undoubled, or other frequencies)

- dBm measurement of incoming reference frequency


Gone from version 1 are:

- some voltage regulators

- ring mixer as phase detector, driver amplifiers etc.

- Picdiv ( there were complaints that I didn't have it, but when I put it on the 
board, nobody was interested. )

- the "Wenzel" style squarers ( I have seen that in a previous life in a 
frequency counter by HEB when 74S was bleeding edge, and in every other text 
book.) The LT6??? does that in 5*5 mm.

The phase comparator is now a 3 states FlipFlop comparator in a Xilinx 
Coolrunner II CPLD. That also makes the 1pps from most common oscillator 
frequencies. Freq and OCXO tuning direction are jumper selectable. The 
integrator is a JFET op amp and a foil capacitor.

VHDL sources are abt. 4 pages; 64 FlipFlops max. make sure that it won't grow 
without limit. Sources & layout will be open in BSD license style (basically: do 
with it what you want but don't bite the feeding hand).

Pics of the status quo:  old board with rucksack for the alternative oscillators 
and patches, new layout in statu nascendi. Flickr has some problems because they 
are moving to a new server farm, so I leave it in the upload stream.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/47929260287/in/dateposted-public/


Has anybody out there more information about this oscillator?

Its data sheet is thinner than a cookbook from the Sahel zone.

No phase noise data @ 100 MHz??? I've got one of them last week.

https://www.digikey.de/products/de?keywords=xc2265-nd


regards, Gerhard