[time-nuts] Re: What phase variations to expect in a DMTD due to temperature fluctuations?
Bob kb8tq
kb8tq at n1k.org
Tue Oct 25 00:34:24 UTC 2022
Hi
A couple hundred ppm over 100C would not be out of the question for
ceramic. Since you have a parabola on the SAW, itâs going to depend on
just what range the 100C covers. Even there > 100 ppm is not unusual.
Bob
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Lux, Jim <jim at luxfamily.com> wrote:
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> On 10/24/22 4:59 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:
>> Hi
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>> I think you will find that a lot of these GNSS gizmos have ceramic or SAW filters
>> in them. Thatâs likely not true for a device that covers from above L1 down to below
>> L5 in one gulp. It is the likely approach for an L1 or L1 / L2 sort of device. Itâs almost
>> certainly how a âtelecomâ antenna is done.
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>> Bob
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> Our receivers are L1/L2, but yes a discrete LC filter. But SAW devices have a noticeable tempco too. 30 years ago I used to assume a 100ppm box for 100 degree change, with a parabolic curve, but I can't remember if that was Si or LiNbO3 .
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>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:59 PM, Lux, Jim via time-nuts <time-nuts at lists.febo.com> wrote:
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>>> On 10/24/22 12:49 PM, John Miles via time-nuts wrote:
>>>> The 1 ps/C figure is typical of most components other than magnetics. Some
>>>> RF transformers clock in at 10 ps/C or more, and some don't seem to have
>>>> much of a phase tempco at all. And as Javier points out, the choice of
>>>> cabling can have a big influence as well.
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>>> We didn't measure it separately for our L-band LNA/BPF system, but I'd be willing to bet that it's the filter that dominates the time delay tempco. Changes in L and C with temperature are well known, and changes in tuning will change the delay.
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>>> In our system we're looking for uncertainties << 1ns, over 0-40C temperature range, so 30 ps/K is a big number.
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