[time-nuts] DAC for OCXO disciplining

Bob kb8tq kb8tq at n1k.org
Tue Jan 14 13:40:24 UTC 2020


Hi

Put another way - this is sort of why sigma delta was invented. The whole “move
the energy” thing was very much core to the invention. These days, even some 
pretty cheap micro’s have sigma delta hardware on them. So far I have yet to find
one with quite the “right stuff” on it to do a DAC. The ones I’ve seen are more 
targeted at ADC’s.

Bob

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Magnus Danielson <magnus at rubidium.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 2020-01-14 02:00, Hal Murray wrote:
>> lifespeed at claybuccellato.com said:
>>> Some thoughts that have occurred to me are coarse and fine DACs, possibly
>>> sigma-delta or pulse width modulation (PWM).
>> Pulse width modulation has noise at the frequency of the whole sequence.  A 10 
>> bit DAC running at 1 megahertz will have noise at 1 kilohertz.  As you add 
>> more bits to get better resolution, the noise frequency gets lower.  For 
>> practical values, that noise may be hard to filter.  What doesn't get filtered 
>> turns into spurs.
>> 
> That is why PWM is not a very smart idea at all for these purposes.
> 
> I've done a variant where I inverted the spectrum of PWM. I sketched on
> an article but I never finished it.
> 
> You want to place your most significant bit energy as high as possible,
> and the same for the second most significant bit. Turns out that this
> becomes fairly simple counter and mux solution which on average achieves
> exactly the same level as the PWM, but with noise which is much easier
> to filter and with about the same level of complexity as the PWM.
> 
> But then, you can do first degree sigma-delta and achieve about the same
> thing.
> 
> But PWM for this, is not a good idea, it's in fact a terrible idea since
> it has the most significant bit with the lowest frequency which becomes
> hard to filter.
> 
> Cheers,
> Magnus
> 
> 
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