[time-nuts] Odd-order multiplication of CMOS-output OCXO

[Magnus Danielson]

Hi Mark,

On 2020-01-21 19:41, Mark Haun wrote:
> Hi Attila,
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 15:08:16 +0100
> Attila Kinali <attila at kinali.ch> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 01:15:45 +0100
>> Attila Kinali <attila at kinali.ch> wrote:
>>> You don't need a high performance ADC for the reference as you are
>>> dealing with a narrow band signal of known frequency. Even a 10bit
>>> or 8bit ADC would be good enough. You can even go and sample at
>>> half frequency and save both money and power.   
>> I just spend a few minutes looking at ADCs and found the LTC2256-12
>> and its faster sister LTC2257-12. They go for ~15USD at quantity 1.
>> Both have 170fs RMS apperture jitter and do 25Msps and 40Msps
>> respectively. 3dB BW is 800MHz, so more then good enough to even use
>> the 100MHz output of an hydrogen maser, if you want a really good
>> reference ;-)
>>
>> Power consumption at max sample rate are 34mW and 47mW respectively.
>> That's slightly more than a PLL would use (~20mW, plus maybe another
>> 5mW to 10mW for the opamps in the loopfilter). Power consumption goes
>> down a bit with decreasing sample rate, but not as much as one would
>> hope for.
> I hope you will indulge one more newbie question on the analog PLL
> option... as I have approximately zero experience designing them.
>
> What are the adverse consequences of using large divisors in the loop,
> as would be required for my odd OCXO frequency?  E.g. on paper, it would
> seem that I could use 80 MHz / 625 = 16.384 MHz / 128 = 128 kHz PFD
> frequency.  How would this differ from a more "normal" ref clock
> frequency of 10 or 16 MHz with smaller divisors?

From my experience, such factors and rate of phase comparator is
relatively easy to work with and get to work reasonably well for most
purposes. I recommend you to use a PI-loop.

For a step-up you want to keep the PLL bandwidth fairly large, and that
helps making it easy.

I've been tempted to do a bunch of such loops in various kinds of
equipment to solve issues. I should to more of them. One should have a
nice little lock-up board to just apply.

Cheers,
Magnus